Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Hi Mike, Judy is a sincere person. She states honestly how she sees it. She seems to feel that when people get riled up by her honesty, that she's given them an opportunity to look at the balloons of inflated spiritualized self-esteem in which they try to live. Of course, the people she speaks to in this way often don't agree, point out that she's just talking about herself, she's the inflated one, or she's a hypocrite, ignorant, etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset. And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless. She's like the energizer bunny. She keeps going, and going, and going. Quite remarkable. I asked her about this once, and she said, " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. " Go figure? Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line for some time. :-) Love to all, Dan > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and ignorance > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is > pretending to be. > > regards, > mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Judy is a sincere person. > > She states honestly how she sees it. > > She seems to feel that when people get > riled up by her honesty, that she's > given them an opportunity to look > at the balloons of inflated spiritualized > self-esteem in which they try to live. > > Of course, the people she speaks to in this > way often don't agree, point out that she's > just talking about herself, she's the inflated one, > or she's a hypocrite, ignorant, > etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset. > > And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless. > > She's like the energizer bunny. > > She keeps going, and going, and going. > > Quite remarkable. > > I asked her about this once, and she said, > " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. " > > Go figure? > > Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective > of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line > for some time. > > :-) > > Love to all, > Dan > Horseshit! > > > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and > ignorance > > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is > > pretending to be. > > > > regards, > > mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 > Horseshit! God bless you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Firstly, Hitler was not at all a sincere person who was honest. In fact, he described what he was doing as a " Big Lie " saying that if you repeat a big lie often enough, people will believe it. He never hesitated to distort truth or outright lie to achieve his goals, for one example, please review your history about how the concentration camps were lied about. One of his major goals included mass murder. So, secondly: you don't consider there's a bit of projection occurring when equating a mass murderer with someone who posts things you don't like? And thirdly: you are sure this comparison is an expression of love and bliss? > Hitler was a sincere person > He stated honestly how he saw things > Some people got riled up about his honesty... > oh please > > > Hi Mike, > > Judy is a sincere person. > > She states honestly how she sees it. > > She seems to feel that when people get > riled up by her honesty, that she's > given them an opportunity to look > at the balloons of inflated spiritualized > self-esteem in which they try to live. > > Of course, the people she speaks to in this > way often don't agree, point out that she's > just talking about herself, she's the inflated one, > or she's a hypocrite, ignorant, > etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset. > > And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless. > > She's like the energizer bunny. > > She keeps going, and going, and going. > > Quite remarkable. > > I asked her about this once, and she said, > " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. " > > Go figure? > > Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective > of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line > for some time. > > :-) > > Love to all, > Dan > > > > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and > ignorance > > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is > > pretending to be. > > > > regards, > > mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Are you disturbed by thoughts? Like the thought that Judi has hatred, anger, intolerance and bigotry? Or that a group might believe she's enlightened? Which of those thoughts would be more disturbing to you? > Thanks Mike > It could be disturbing .. thinking that this was a group who believed that those with hatred, anger, intolerance and bigotry were enlightened.. > > > > Horseshit! > > > > > > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and > > ignorance > > > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is > > > pretending to be. > > > > > > regards, > > > mike > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Hey Dan I suspect this whole act is about attention. I suspect Judi has an injured inner child who is constantly lashing out which is why it goes on and on and on.. Give everyone their right to their perception.. Clean the board. >Firstly, Hitler was not at all > a sincere person who was honest. > >In fact, he described what he was > doing as a " Big Lie " saying that > if you repeat a big lie often enough, > people will believe it. > >He never hesitated to distort truth > or outright lie to achieve his goals, > for one example, please review your history about > how the concentration camps were > lied about. > >One of his major goals included mass murder. > >So, secondly: you don't consider > there's a bit of projection > occurring when equating a mass murderer with > someone who posts things you don't > like? > >And thirdly: you are sure this comparison > is an expression of love and bliss? > > > > Hitler was a sincere person > > He stated honestly how he saw things > > Some people got riled up about his honesty... > > oh please > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Judy is a sincere person. > > > > She states honestly how she sees it. > > > > She seems to feel that when people get > > riled up by her honesty, that she's > > given them an opportunity to look > > at the balloons of inflated spiritualized > > self-esteem in which they try to live. > > > > Of course, the people she speaks to in this > > way often don't agree, point out that she's > > just talking about herself, she's the inflated one, > > or she's a hypocrite, ignorant, > > etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset. > > > > And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless. > > > > She's like the energizer bunny. > > > > She keeps going, and going, and going. > > > > Quite remarkable. > > > > I asked her about this once, and she said, > > " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. " > > > > Go figure? > > > > Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective > > of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line > > for some time. > > > > :-) > > > > Love to all, > > Dan > > > > > > > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and > > ignorance > > > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is > > > pretending to be. > > > > > > regards, > > > mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Hey Leo -- > I suspect this whole act is about attention. Well, when someone thinks that everyone else's act is about attention, except theirs, that may be a clue :-) Like Adi Da, for example. " All you are looking for is attention " -- and then he would speak on and on to all hours of the night, and have his followers record every word ... > I suspect Judi has an injured > inner child who is constantly lashing out which is why it goes on and on and > on.. An interesting suspicion. Injury can lead to anger and resentment. > Give everyone their right to their perception.. Certainly. Perception is perception. It occurs as is. Judging a perception right or wrong can only be another perception, occurring " after the fact " ... And then, that perception might also be judged ... or just dropped away :-) Is the former perception really linked to the present perception in a way that allows judgment? Or is perception timeless, noncontinuous? > Clean the board. Yes. What is clean has never been stained. All the dirt of the world has never stained it. Namaste! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Yes, let's find this fellow who got lost somewhere again. That sounds like an important elf mission. First, we better find something other than being, in which a fellow could get lost. Meanwhile, let's forget to remember what you forgot. It might have just been one of those pesky intellectual concepts ... :-) > No No No Dan.. No doubt you are lost again.. in intellectual concepts rather than Being > It was not an expression of bliss.. > In fact I have forgotton.. it has long since passed.. probably shock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 dan330033 wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Judy is a sincere person. > > She states honestly how she sees it. > > She seems to feel that when people get > riled up by her honesty, that she's > given them an opportunity to look > at the balloons of inflated spiritualized > self-esteem in which they try to live. > > Of course, the people she speaks to in this > way often don't agree, point out that she's > just talking about herself, she's the inflated one, > or she's a hypocrite, ignorant, > etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset. > > And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless. > > She's like the energizer bunny. > > She keeps going, and going, and going. > > Quite remarkable. > > I asked her about this once, and she said, > " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. " > > Go figure? > > Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective > of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line > for some time. > > :-) > > Love to all, > Dan > **** Thank you sweetie, I appreciate that. And we do have some fun don't we? :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 dan330033 wrote: > > Are you disturbed by thoughts? > **** Well that's a disturbing thought! :-) Now I'm disturbed. :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 Well Dan, I haven't posted to this group in a mighty long time. just about been deleting Nisargadatta emails as quickly as I open them. lost interest in all the word games, but wow! I couldn't resist! you really take the cake with this one! - " dan330033 " <dan330033 <Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:24 PM Re: alternate humble opinion of a damned fool! > Hi Mike, > > Judy is a sincere person. > > She states honestly how she sees it. > > She seems to feel that when people get > riled up by her honesty, that she's > given them an opportunity to look > at the balloons of inflated spiritualized > self-esteem in which they try to live. > > Of course, the people she speaks to in this > way often don't agree, point out that she's > just talking about herself, she's the inflated one, > or she's a hypocrite, ignorant, > etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset. > > And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless. > > She's like the energizer bunny. > > She keeps going, and going, and going. > > Quite remarkable. > > I asked her about this once, and she said, > " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. " > > Go figure? > > Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective > of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line > for some time. > > :-) > > Love to all, > Dan > > > > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and > ignorance > > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is > > pretending to be. > > > > regards, > > mike > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Hey all Concepts, concepts everywhere , not a drop of bliss! It's a freakin joke , if you could only realize! So let's do a badoodaadeeedaaaa , while you are still ( a separate ) you. Piss-offs are just not worth it!! Anand. --- skydancer <skydancer wrote: > No No No Dan.. No doubt you are lost again.. in > intellectual concepts rather than Being > It was not an expression of bliss.. > In fact I have forgotton.. it has long since > passed.. probably shock > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:19 PM > Re: alternate humble > opinion of a damned fool! > > > Firstly, Hitler was not at all > a sincere person who was honest. > > In fact, he described what he was > doing as a " Big Lie " saying that > if you repeat a big lie often enough, > people will believe it. > > He never hesitated to distort truth > or outright lie to achieve his goals, > for one example, please review your history > about > how the concentration camps were > lied about. > > One of his major goals included mass murder. > > So, secondly: you don't consider > there's a bit of projection > occurring when equating a mass murderer with > someone who posts things you don't > like? > > And thirdly: you are sure this comparison > is an expression of love and bliss? > > > > Hitler was a sincere person > > He stated honestly how he saw things > > Some people got riled up about his honesty... > > oh please > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Judy is a sincere person. > > > > She states honestly how she sees it. > > > > She seems to feel that when people get > > riled up by her honesty, that she's > > given them an opportunity to look > > at the balloons of inflated spiritualized > > self-esteem in which they try to live. > > > > Of course, the people she speaks to in this > > way often don't agree, point out that she's > > just talking about herself, she's the > inflated one, > > or she's a hypocrite, ignorant, > > etc. Sometimes they get really mad or > upset. > > > > And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual > trips' " nonetheless. > > > > She's like the energizer bunny. > > > > She keeps going, and going, and going. > > > > Quite remarkable. > > > > I asked her about this once, and she said, > > " it's a tough job, but someone has to do > it. " > > > > Go figure? > > > > Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective > > of Judi, after having seen her antics > on-line > > for some time. > > > > :-) > > > > Love to all, > > Dan > > > > > > > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable > hypocrisy, and > > ignorance > > > for even one instant, she might see what a > complete fool she is > > > pretending to be. > > > > > > regards, > > > mike > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > **** Thank you sweetie, I appreciate that. And we do have some fun don't > we? :-) > > Judi Sure we do. There's fun sometimes, also sadness. Sadness at the spiritual self-image repeatedly being proclaimed as realization and the belief-system version of wholeness repeatedly mistaken for truth. As if whoever yells the loudest must know the truth -- when it's not like that at all ... Taking one's ax to grind as if it were solid gold. Taking one's agenda as if it were ultimate truth. .... And the beat goes on :-) on and on ... -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Jessica White " <ellam-ondre@c...> wrote: > Well Dan, I haven't posted to this group in a mighty long time. just about > been deleting Nisargadatta emails as quickly as I open them. lost interest > in all the word games, but wow! I couldn't resist! > you really take the cake with this one! Thanks, Jessica -- have a piece! The chocolate filling is great! By the way, if you've been deleting the posts, how do you know this one takes the cake? LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > LOL! > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons A me-centered bliss is only self-defense, self-righteousness and judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > LOL! > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons A me-centered bliss masks judgments of others and self-righteous defensiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > > > LOL! > > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv >words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons > >A me-centered bliss is only self-defense, > self-righteousness and judgment. > Exactly which me are you referring to Dan? > _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > LOL! > > > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv > >words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons > > > >A me-centered bliss is only self-defense, > > self-righteousness and judgment. > > > Exactly which me are you referring to Dan? > The me that wants to have a blissful state for itself, Leo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > Isn't it you who are always asking people to defend themselves.. for goodness sakes.. No interest in having people defend themselves at all. Open resonance is freedom. > which bit of the choclate is cake then? It's all cake. > go and look at all the questions in which you ask people to engage in.. A question posed is open. I don't control how the question is taken or applied. > You are asking people to engage in self defense of their opinions > thats your game > don't you get it? An opinion is like a balloon. Although it may seem like a terrible thing for the balloon to burst, it allows the air inside to have no distance from the air outside. With no opinion to hold, no inside or outside to who you are. > > don't you get it? > probably not... probably not at all Freedom is not something to get. It is what is. > > I didn't answer any of them and i shan't stoop now You answer this way. > > I don't like the vibrational frequency of such pathetic mind games > tuning out Vibrational patterns are all intertwined as one pattern. There are no separated minds, not really. It only seems so, if a me-center is taken as reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > >Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv > > >words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons > > > > > >A me-centered bliss is only self-defense, > > > self-righteousness and judgment. > > > > > Exactly which me are you referring to Dan? > > > >The me that wants to have a blissful state for itself, Leo. As an observer Dan I get the idea, rightly or wrongly that you are purely operating from the platform of a competitive ego. Namaste > _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > As an observer Dan I get the idea, rightly or wrongly that you are purely > operating from the platform of a competitive ego. > > Namaste Words appear on a computer screen. Assumptions form about the " me " who is presumed to be making those words. That " me " is conceptualized as a competitive ego. It is, however, possible that words form without any egos anywhere making anything appear. So, those assumptions about " me's " out there, also form without an ego being involved. When there is no ego here, there is no ego anywhere. When no one is in here, there is no one out there, either. Shalom, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 dan330033 wrote: > > > **** Thank you sweetie, I appreciate that. And we do have some fun > don't > > we? :-) > > > > Judi > > Sure we do. > > There's fun sometimes, also sadness. > **** Yes, it can be absolutely terrible, very sad. > Sadness at the spiritual self-image > repeatedly being proclaimed as realization > and the belief-system version of wholeness > repeatedly mistaken for truth. > **** Yes, like sucking air through a straw and telling yourself it's water. > As if whoever yells the loudest must know the truth -- > when it's not like that at all ... > ***** Right, certainly not. > Taking one's ax to grind as if it were solid gold. > > Taking one's agenda as if it were ultimate truth. > **** Yes, the ever elusive " ultimate truth " . :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > >Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv > > > >words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons > > > > > > > >A me-centered bliss is only self-defense, > > > > self-righteousness and judgment. > > > > > > > Exactly which me are you referring to Dan? > > > > > > >The me that wants to have a blissful state for itself, Leo. > > As an observer Dan I get the idea, rightly or wrongly that you are purely > operating from the platform of a competitive ego. > > Namaste > > > This is clearly the case, Leo. Dan is only defending her, because he " hangs out " at other lists where she also terrorizes the scene. Instead of having the unselfish goodwill to help her, as well as this list, he is simply afraid of conflict with her, and as a result of this, he only defends her hypocrisy. Of coarse if you ask him about this he will say its not true, but it clearly is. This behavior is rooted in selfishness. > > _______________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > > >Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games >wiv > > > > >words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons > > > > > > > > > >A me-centered bliss is only self-defense, > > > > > self-righteousness and judgment. > > > > > > > > > Exactly which me are you referring to Dan? > > > > > > > > > >The me that wants to have a blissful state for itself, Leo. > > > > As an observer Dan I get the idea, rightly or wrongly that you are >purely > > operating from the platform of a competitive ego. > > > > Namaste > > > > > This is clearly the case, Leo. Dan is only defending her, because >he " hangs out " at other lists where she also terrorizes the scene. >Instead of having the unselfish goodwill to help her, as well as this >list, he is simply afraid of conflict with her, and as a result of >this, he only defends her hypocrisy. Of coarse if you ask him about >this he will say its not true, but it clearly is. This behavior is >rooted in selfishness. Hi back. This seems like a great place to be. I haven't read enough of the archives to really knows whats going on with Judi, but if like attracts like it might be pretty much the same as where Dan's at. A know it all, who feels intrinsically superior to everyone around him. With an advanced ability to give an extrodinary display of words and concepts that don't make very much sense. Not professing to be an enlightened master myself perhaps its my own lack that makes it hard to see either the point or the value of what he is doing, when i do get the gist. Sometimes it just looks like spirituality and enlightenment is a mind game to the westerner.. who studies the theory and caught in the intellect... and what is the job of the intellect..? Right! to judge.. Blazen hypocrisy to boot. But even so, this a good place to BE > > _______________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >http://mobile.msn.com > _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 > > This is clearly the case, Leo. Dan is only defending her, because > he " hangs out " at other lists where she also terrorizes the scene. > Instead of having the unselfish goodwill to help her, as well as this > list, he is simply afraid of conflict with her, and as a result of > this, he only defends her hypocrisy. Of coarse if you ask him about > this he will say its not true, but it clearly is. This behavior is > rooted in selfishness. It's unfortunate to see so many posts about Judi and what is supposedly wrong with her, and me, because supposedly I'm defending her. Truth isn't about making personalities wrong - or right. Truth is you living it, being it. Consider that there may be selfishness in focusing on Judi, to tell her what is wrong with her, and then on me, to say what is wrong with me, after I said I thought she is sincere. You might consider not focusing on personalities, and expressing directly the truth you are. It seems easier to get diverted into telling people what is wrong with them, and then it tends to go on and on... By the way, how does one terrorize a scene on an e-mail list? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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