Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 roberibus111@a... Date: Fri May 3, 2002 5:46 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 479 WHERE CAN A FELLER PICK UP SOME OF WHAT Y'ALL BEEN SMOKIN' OF LATE? sincerely sincerely....a coboy named Robere...roberibus111 roberibus111@a... Date: Fri May 3, 2002 4:29 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 478 Nowhere Never has Nisargadatta Negated the Nether Notions Herein Negotiated! Thus spaketh And NOW SPEAKETH....He Who Shall Remain...a cowboy named Robere.......roberibus111 Get it on dudes & dudettes!!! 'er ah mean get along little doggies. - Cowboy named Robere, I see you are still here. As I told Manuel, who used to have a great forum on " A Net Of Jewels " , when he asked me if he should ban certain folks from posting (by the way, Judi was not one of them), I said, 'NO'. " Your forum is OPEN TO ALL. That is what makes it great! " El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 > >Cowboy named Robere, > > >I see you are still here. > >As I told Manuel, who used to have a great forum >on " A Net Of Jewels " , > >when he asked me if he should ban certain folks from >posting (by the way, Judi was not one of them), > >I said, 'NO'. > > " Your forum is OPEN TO ALL. That is what makes it great! " > > >El > >The premise of the Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Movement is that the >current Gregorian Calendar and the mechanical clock constitue an artificial >timing frequency which is responsible for human alienation from nature and >the creation of a thoroughly materialistic civilization dominated by money >and machines According to Thirteen Moon Calendar Movement Messengers, Jose and Lloydine Arguelles, " the calendar change is the only way to put the brakes on the self-destructive course of present-day civilization. It is the only way to stop the moral atrocities and environmental abuse that are now being committed on behalf of the nationalism and economic development. Not only is the Thirteen Moon 28-Day Calendar scientifically more regular and accurate than the current twelve-month Gregorian Calendar, but its implementation also represents a moment of prophetic truth for all of humanity. " Given the current state of the world dominated by G-7 banking interests and the unilateral assertion of technological and military control of events including the performance of the UNPROFOR in the Bosnia-Serbia Civil War, the conclusion must be drawn that the United Nations is participating in the moral failure and incompetence of democracy that now characterizes all of world civilization. The behavior of the United Nations with regard to the Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Plan and Roerich Peace Pact demonstarates that the collective will of the human species is bankrupt and hopelessly at odds with its own best interests and the order of its natural environment. In order to avoid ultimate catastrophe and to provide a legitemate basis for reestablishing a genuine nonviolent, non-militaristic peace on this planet, the Thirteen Moon Autonomous Peoples' Committees invoke the Roerich Peace Pact and Banner of Peace to promote and establish the new time of thirteen moons 28 days and the biospheric covenant of Earth Sovereignty to supersede the United Nations as it is now constituted. Description of collective state of mind: twisted, self-absorbed, inhumane, intolerant, morbidly fascinated, self-insulated in a bubble fortified by two powerful illusions: 1) world supremacy, and 2) money. Result: world supremacy of money creating state of consciousness dominated by reflexes of self-defensive retrenchment incapable of receiving any new ideas or information; hence, genuine dialogue is non-existent, and should it occur, is treated as life-threatening. The main information media and forms of entertainment are dominated by images of violence, and the maintenance of massive military forces considered a major political asset. Hence the society is riddled with gratuitous violence of all kinds and the growth of anarchic vigilante or militia groups. The central television media news focus for one year now has been the murder case and trial (21 weeks running) of a former sports hero. Following suit, the murder trial of a popular entertainer will soon be featured on the chief music-entertainment television channel. Despite this media fixation, the society elders act puzzled at the amount of violence and general decay characterizing American society. Within this self-insulated bubble of dense, unquestioning ignorance, the idea of social or any other change appears to be unnecessary. The relation of the USA to the rest of the planet socially, politically, economically, and environmentally is dominated by a profound " I'm OK, don't bother me, " isolationism. The oligarchy has deeply entrenched itself in political power exemplified by the Republican 104th Congress. The mass consciousness, including that of the poorest people, is characterized by complacency, apathy, and fear punctuated by random violence. The issue of job security is continuously used to maintain the lid on free expression. Artistic genres are characterized by violence, sentimentality and chaos. Rapidly engaged in the most accelerated forms of cybernetic technology, any real continuity with the past has been erased. The only commemorative events celebrated for purpose of maintaining the image of world supremacy are the events concerning the end of the last World War, as well as stock-in-trade patriotic holidays. Intolerance of death and financial loss are characterized by massive medical technology to prolong life artificially and by financial stock market which only sets new, record highs. The insurance industry and burgeoning legal profession assure that the intolerance of death and accidents of any kind will be both lucrative and life-complicating. This overall state of mind has become 'permanent' since the end of the Cold War, 1990, which actually ended the dialectic of history. At this point the balance of power shifted unequivocally to the Americans and their powerful industrial allies, all together known as the G-7. The notion that the direction in which the American mind has solidified itself is totally at the expense of the biosphere and the well-being of the rest of the planet is unheard of and unthinkable. It is also true that the American state of mind has forfeited any genuine self reflection and, immersed in its own form of hedonistic eternalism, is incapable of grasping in any critical way its self-defeating course of violence and destruction. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Never before in the 5,000-year history of civilization has one people or nation absolutely dominated the rest of the planet in its entirety as does the USA today. Not Rome, not Hitler's Germany, manifest such absolute power with so much abuse of the truth. American military supremacy and the philosophy of military force as the chief principle of political mediation are at the heart of world affairs. From the point of view of the American mind there is no alternative whatsoever to the current state and course of affairs. Lacking all perspective, the inert momentum of the American will must be seen as a major contributing factor to the impending castrophe that will very soon and inevitably engulf the entire planet: the collapse of the planetary biosphere. Recommendation: acts of divine intervention in the form of natural disasters to break the belief system bubble and collapse the artificial economic structure, while a critical mass 'underground' pursues enlightened return to natural order through the World Thirteen Moon 28 Day Calendar Change Peace Movement. It must be asked: What is it that will help the people and at the same time help the Earth? The religion of truth and the religion of the Earth must be one: people of the book reunited with the people of the dawn. This can only be done by placing everyone in a new, common time that is in tune with the cycles of nature and the Earth. This is the universal harmony accomplished by the Thirteen Moon 28 day Calendar Change. The religion of truth is the religion of the Earth. Earth needs a religion of truth that is not dogma, not money, not sect, and not anything defined by boundaries, paper, or selfishness of any kind. Only truth will satisfy the Earth. If asked: Of what religion are you? Answer: I am the religion of the truth which is the religion of the Earth. The Thirteen Moon 28-Day Calendar Change is a fundamental change. It is not a legislative change, but a change mandated by divine authority that transcends and unifies all sects and creeds in a higher calling of the Earth. Planetary service is the basis of the new time. Ask not what you can do for yourself, your religion, or your country, but what you can do for your planet. New groups of planetary servers are needed to transcend dogmas of money, nationalism, and sectarianism of every kind. Who yet understand the fundamentally spiritual nature and divine unity of all creation _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote: > > > >Cowboy named Robere, > > > > > >I see you are still here. > > > >As I told Manuel, who used to have a great forum > >on " A Net Of Jewels " , > > > >when he asked me if he should ban certain folks from > >posting (by the way, Judi was not one of them), > > > >I said, 'NO'. > > > > " Your forum is OPEN TO ALL. That is what makes it great! " > > > > > >El > > SHUT UP YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!...just kiddin'.See how easy it is to rile someone with just words? And like now maybe ya feel better cause I said " just kidding " ? FUCK YOU! I AM SERIOUS! Naw, just kiddin' around again.Look I jest figured i should tell ya how much yer verbosity says to a person and all. Lots 'o Love and Understandin'.....a cowboy named Robere...roberibus111 > > > >The premise of the Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Movement is that the > >current Gregorian Calendar and the mechanical clock constitue an artificial > >timing frequency which is responsible for human alienation from nature and > >the creation of a thoroughly materialistic civilization dominated by money > >and machines > According to Thirteen Moon Calendar Movement Messengers, Jose and Lloydine > Arguelles, " the calendar change is the only way to put the brakes on the > self-destructive course of present-day civilization. It is the only way to > stop the moral atrocities and environmental abuse that are now being > committed on behalf of the nationalism and economic development. Not only is > the Thirteen Moon 28-Day Calendar scientifically more regular and accurate > than the current twelve-month Gregorian Calendar, but its implementation > also represents a moment of prophetic truth for all of humanity. " > > Given the current state of the world dominated by G-7 banking interests and > the unilateral assertion of technological and military control of events > including the performance of the UNPROFOR in the Bosnia-Serbia Civil War, > the conclusion must be drawn that the United Nations is participating in the > moral failure and incompetence of democracy that now characterizes all of > world civilization. The behavior of the United Nations with regard to the > Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Plan and Roerich Peace Pact > demonstarates that the collective will of the human species is bankrupt and > hopelessly at odds with its own best interests and the order of its natural > environment. > > In order to avoid ultimate catastrophe and to provide a legitemate basis for > reestablishing a genuine nonviolent, non-militaristic peace on this planet, > the Thirteen Moon Autonomous Peoples' Committees invoke the Roerich Peace > Pact and Banner of Peace to promote and establish the new time of thirteen > moons 28 days and the biospheric covenant of Earth Sovereignty to supersede > the United Nations as it is now constituted. > > Description of collective state of mind: twisted, self-absorbed, inhumane, > intolerant, morbidly fascinated, self-insulated in a bubble fortified by two > powerful illusions: 1) world supremacy, and 2) money. > > Result: world supremacy of money creating state of consciousness dominated > by reflexes of self-defensive retrenchment incapable of receiving any new > ideas or information; hence, genuine dialogue is non-existent, and should it > occur, is treated as life-threatening. > > The main information media and forms of entertainment are dominated by > images of violence, and the maintenance of massive military forces > considered a major political asset. Hence the society is riddled with > gratuitous violence of all kinds and the growth of anarchic vigilante or > militia groups. The central television media news focus for one year now has > been the murder case and trial (21 weeks running) of a former sports hero. > Following suit, the murder trial of a popular entertainer will soon be > featured on the chief music-entertainment television channel. Despite this > media fixation, the society elders act puzzled at the amount of violence and > general decay characterizing American society. > > Within this self-insulated bubble of dense, unquestioning ignorance, the > idea of social or any other change appears to be unnecessary. The relation > of the USA to the rest of the planet socially, politically, economically, > and environmentally is dominated by a profound " I'm OK, don't bother me, " > isolationism. The oligarchy has deeply entrenched itself in political power > exemplified by the Republican 104th Congress. The mass consciousness, > including that of the poorest people, is characterized by complacency, > apathy, and fear punctuated by random violence. The issue of job security is > continuously used to maintain the lid on free expression. Artistic genres > are characterized by violence, sentimentality and chaos. Rapidly engaged in > the most accelerated forms of cybernetic technology, any real continuity > with the past has been erased. The only commemorative events celebrated for > purpose of maintaining the image of world supremacy are the events > concerning the end of the last World War, as well as stock-in-trade > patriotic holidays. > > Intolerance of death and financial loss are characterized by massive medical > technology to prolong life artificially and by financial stock market which > only sets new, record highs. The insurance industry and burgeoning legal > profession assure that the intolerance of death and accidents of any kind > will be both lucrative and life-complicating. > > This overall state of mind has become 'permanent' since the end of the Cold > War, 1990, which actually ended the dialectic of history. At this point the > balance of power shifted unequivocally to the Americans and their powerful > industrial allies, all together known as the G-7. The notion that the > direction in which the American mind has solidified itself is totally at the > expense of the biosphere and the well-being of the rest of the planet is > unheard of and unthinkable. It is also true that the American state of mind > has forfeited any genuine self reflection and, immersed in its own form of > hedonistic eternalism, is incapable of grasping in any critical way its > self-defeating course of violence and destruction. > > Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Never before in the > 5,000-year history of civilization has one people or nation absolutely > dominated the rest of the planet in its entirety as does the USA today. Not > Rome, not Hitler's Germany, manifest such absolute power with so much abuse > of the truth. American military supremacy and the philosophy of military > force as the chief principle of political mediation are at the heart of > world affairs. > > From the point of view of the American mind there is no alternative > whatsoever to the current state and course of affairs. Lacking all > perspective, the inert momentum of the American will must be seen as a major > contributing factor to the impending castrophe that will very soon and > inevitably engulf the entire planet: the collapse of the planetary > biosphere. > > Recommendation: acts of divine intervention in the form of natural disasters > to break the belief system bubble and collapse the artificial economic > structure, while a critical mass 'underground' pursues enlightened return to > natural order through the World Thirteen Moon 28 Day Calendar Change Peace > Movement. > > It must be asked: What is it that will help the people and at the same time > help the Earth? > > The religion of truth and the religion of the Earth must be one: people of > the book reunited with the people of the dawn. This can only be done by > placing everyone in a new, common time that is in tune with the cycles of > nature and the Earth. This is the universal harmony accomplished by the > Thirteen Moon 28 day Calendar Change. > > The religion of truth is the religion of the Earth. Earth needs a religion > of truth that is not dogma, not money, not sect, and not anything defined by > boundaries, paper, or selfishness of any kind. Only truth will satisfy the > Earth. If asked: Of what religion are you? Answer: I am the religion of the > truth which is the religion of the Earth. > > The Thirteen Moon 28-Day Calendar Change is a fundamental change. It is not > a legislative change, but a change mandated by divine authority that > transcends and unifies all sects and creeds in a higher calling of the > Earth. > > Planetary service is the basis of the new time. Ask not what you can do for > yourself, your religion, or your country, but what you can do for your > planet. New groups of planetary servers are needed to transcend dogmas of > money, nationalism, and sectarianism of every kind. Who yet understand the > fundamentally spiritual nature and divine unity of all creation > > > > _______________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " <roberibus111@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote: > > > > > >Cowboy named Robere, > > > > > > > > >I see you are still here. > > > > > >As I told Manuel, who used to have a great forum > > >on " A Net Of Jewels " , > > > > > >when he asked me if he should ban certain folks from > > >posting (by the way, Judi was not one of them), > > > > > >I said, 'NO'. > > > > > > " Your forum is OPEN TO ALL. That is what makes it great! " > > > > > > > > >El > > > > > > SHUT UP YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!...just kiddin'.See how easy it is to > rile someone with just words? And like now maybe ya feel better cause > I said " just kidding " ? FUCK YOU! I AM SERIOUS! Naw, just kiddin' > around again.Look I jest figured i should tell ya how much yer > verbosity says to a person and all. > Lots 'o Love and Understandin'.....a cowboy named > Robere...roberibus111 > > > > > > >The premise of the Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Movement is that > the > > >current Gregorian Calendar and the mechanical clock constitue an > artificial > > >timing frequency which is responsible for human alienation from > nature and > > >the creation of a thoroughly materialistic civilization dominated > by money > > >and machines > > According to Thirteen Moon Calendar Movement Messengers, Jose and > Lloydine > > Arguelles, " the calendar change is the only way to put the brakes > on the > > self-destructive course of present-day civilization. It is the only > way to > > stop the moral atrocities and environmental abuse that are now > being > > committed on behalf of the nationalism and economic development. > Not only is > > the Thirteen Moon 28-Day Calendar scientifically more regular and > accurate > > than the current twelve-month Gregorian Calendar, but its > implementation > > also represents a moment of prophetic truth for all of humanity. " > > > > Given the current state of the world dominated by G-7 banking > interests and > > the unilateral assertion of technological and military control of > events > > including the performance of the UNPROFOR in the Bosnia-Serbia > Civil War, > > the conclusion must be drawn that the United Nations is > participating in the > > moral failure and incompetence of democracy that now characterizes > all of > > world civilization. The behavior of the United Nations with regard > to the > > Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Plan and Roerich Peace Pact > > demonstarates that the collective will of the human species is > bankrupt and > > hopelessly at odds with its own best interests and the order of its > natural > > environment. > > > > In order to avoid ultimate catastrophe and to provide a legitemate > basis for > > reestablishing a genuine nonviolent, non-militaristic peace on this > planet, > > the Thirteen Moon Autonomous Peoples' Committees invoke the Roerich > Peace > > Pact and Banner of Peace to promote and establish the new time of > thirteen > > moons 28 days and the biospheric covenant of Earth Sovereignty to > supersede > > the United Nations as it is now constituted. > > > > Description of collective state of mind: twisted, self-absorbed, > inhumane, > > intolerant, morbidly fascinated, self-insulated in a bubble > fortified by two > > powerful illusions: 1) world supremacy, and 2) money. > > > > Result: world supremacy of money creating state of consciousness > dominated > > by reflexes of self-defensive retrenchment incapable of receiving > any new > > ideas or information; hence, genuine dialogue is non-existent, and > should it > > occur, is treated as life-threatening. > > > > The main information media and forms of entertainment are dominated > by > > images of violence, and the maintenance of massive military forces > > considered a major political asset. Hence the society is riddled > with > > gratuitous violence of all kinds and the growth of anarchic > vigilante or > > militia groups. The central television media news focus for one > year now has > > been the murder case and trial (21 weeks running) of a former > sports hero. > > Following suit, the murder trial of a popular entertainer will soon > be > > featured on the chief music-entertainment television channel. > Despite this > > media fixation, the society elders act puzzled at the amount of > violence and > > general decay characterizing American society. > > > > Within this self-insulated bubble of dense, unquestioning > ignorance, the > > idea of social or any other change appears to be unnecessary. The > relation > > of the USA to the rest of the planet socially, politically, > economically, > > and environmentally is dominated by a profound " I'm OK, don't > bother me, " > > isolationism. The oligarchy has deeply entrenched itself in > political power > > exemplified by the Republican 104th Congress. The mass > consciousness, > > including that of the poorest people, is characterized by > complacency, > > apathy, and fear punctuated by random violence. The issue of job > security is > > continuously used to maintain the lid on free expression. Artistic > genres > > are characterized by violence, sentimentality and chaos. Rapidly > engaged in > > the most accelerated forms of cybernetic technology, any real > continuity > > with the past has been erased. The only commemorative events > celebrated for > > purpose of maintaining the image of world supremacy are the events > > concerning the end of the last World War, as well as stock-in- trade > > patriotic holidays. > > > > Intolerance of death and financial loss are characterized by > massive medical > > technology to prolong life artificially and by financial stock > market which > > only sets new, record highs. The insurance industry and burgeoning > legal > > profession assure that the intolerance of death and accidents of > any kind > > will be both lucrative and life-complicating. > > > > This overall state of mind has become 'permanent' since the end of > the Cold > > War, 1990, which actually ended the dialectic of history. At this > point the > > balance of power shifted unequivocally to the Americans and their > powerful > > industrial allies, all together known as the G-7. The notion that > the > > direction in which the American mind has solidified itself is > totally at the > > expense of the biosphere and the well-being of the rest of the > planet is > > unheard of and unthinkable. It is also true that the American state > of mind > > has forfeited any genuine self reflection and, immersed in its own > form of > > hedonistic eternalism, is incapable of grasping in any critical way > its > > self-defeating course of violence and destruction. > > > > Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Never before in > the > > 5,000-year history of civilization has one people or nation > absolutely > > dominated the rest of the planet in its entirety as does the USA > today. Not > > Rome, not Hitler's Germany, manifest such absolute power with so > much abuse > > of the truth. American military supremacy and the philosophy of > military > > force as the chief principle of political mediation are at the > heart of > > world affairs. > > > > From the point of view of the American mind there is no alternative > > whatsoever to the current state and course of affairs. Lacking all > > perspective, the inert momentum of the American will must be seen > as a major > > contributing factor to the impending castrophe that will very soon > and > > inevitably engulf the entire planet: the collapse of the planetary > > biosphere. > > > > Recommendation: acts of divine intervention in the form of natural > disasters > > to break the belief system bubble and collapse the artificial > economic > > structure, while a critical mass 'underground' pursues enlightened > return to > > natural order through the World Thirteen Moon 28 Day Calendar > Change Peace > > Movement. > > > > It must be asked: What is it that will help the people and at the > same time > > help the Earth? > > > > The religion of truth and the religion of the Earth must be one: > people of > > the book reunited with the people of the dawn. This can only be > done by > > placing everyone in a new, common time that is in tune with the > cycles of > > nature and the Earth. This is the universal harmony accomplished by > the > > Thirteen Moon 28 day Calendar Change. > > > > The religion of truth is the religion of the Earth. Earth needs a > religion > > of truth that is not dogma, not money, not sect, and not anything > defined by > > boundaries, paper, or selfishness of any kind. Only truth will > satisfy the > > Earth. If asked: Of what religion are you? Answer: I am the > religion of the > > truth which is the religion of the Earth. > > > > The Thirteen Moon 28-Day Calendar Change is a fundamental change. > It is not > > a legislative change, but a change mandated by divine authority > that > > transcends and unifies all sects and creeds in a higher calling of > the > > Earth. > > > > Planetary service is the basis of the new time. Ask not what you > can do for > > yourself, your religion, or your country, but what you can do for > your > > planet. New groups of planetary servers are needed to transcend > dogmas of > > money, nationalism, and sectarianism of every kind. Who yet > understand the > > fundamentally spiritual nature and divine unity of all creation > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com The past post is to be considered directed towards the above Statement of Truth or what have you. The post is not adressed to El. Just clearin' up what could be a misconstrued situation regardin'the intent or lack thereof of that there postin'. Thank you boys and girls....a cowboy named Robere....roberibus111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 I read somewhere about doggies.. and then I read about bound and unbound and then a word on predetermism Here it is altogether in a nutshellDog on a Line Some say our situation in life is like that of a dog, who is taken out by its master, and is attached to a leash. The dog is allowed to frolic around somewhat, ease its nature, and - if it is lucky in life - its master is lenient enough to take notice of its wishes, and allows the dog to lead him on somewhat. Especially recently, the freedom of dogs is rather great, since the invention of leashes that can be extended up to 10 meters or so. Like this, we human beings are free to some extent, but simultaneously bound to some extent. _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Nisargadatta, " shinkai taisen " <shinkai_taisen@h...> wrote: > I read somewhere about doggies.. and then I read about bound and unbound and > then a word on predetermism > > Here it is altogether in a nutshellDog on a Line > > Some say our situation in life is like that of a dog, who is taken out by > its master, and is attached to a leash. The dog is allowed to frolic around > somewhat, ease its nature, and - if it is lucky in life - its master is > lenient enough to take notice of its wishes, and allows the dog to lead him > on somewhat. Especially recently, the freedom of dogs is rather great, since > the invention of leashes that can be extended up to 10 meters or so. Like > this, we human beings are free to some extent, but simultaneously bound to > some extent. > > > > > > _______________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com Pray tell now what do you mean when y'all say " We " ? Who's we? FREEDOM prevails.If there is bindin' of any nature, it's OUR doin'.Is'nt it? And if'n we are really NOT (humans, dogs, floors, skies... etceterie),Then therefore any " bindin' " or " loosin " or anything at'all is left hangin' there as equaly not happenin'. Fer sure there are dogs and humans and leashes for y'all as there is also for everyone else.However don't get caught. Or bound! It sure is comfortin' to do so though. Jest like a heifer in a squeeze chute we get all comfy gettin' tied up( don't you agree Judi?). Too Bad don't ya think.I mean JUST SO! Lest I leave the impression that there's a good/bad determination goin on here'n. And it is all One. Reminds me of Woody Allen's line 'bout the best part of masturbation bein' the cuddlin' part afterwards.And gosh ya feel so FULLFILLED! Jest a question and a thought for now and evermore. a cowboy named Robere....roberibus111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 > > >Pray tell now what do you mean when y'all say " We " ? Who's we? FREEDOM >prevails.If there is bindin' of any nature, it's OUR doin'.Is'nt it? >And if'n we are really NOT (humans, dogs, floors, skies... >etceterie),Then therefore any " bindin' " or " loosin " or anything >at'all is left hangin' there as equaly not happenin'. Fer sure there >are dogs and humans and leashes for y'all as there is also for >everyone else.However don't get caught. Or bound! It sure is >comfortin' to do so though. Jest like a heifer in a squeeze chute we >get all comfy gettin' tied up( don't you agree Judi?). Too Bad don't >ya think.I mean JUST SO! Lest I leave the impression that there's a >good/bad determination goin on here'n. >And it is all One. Reminds me of Woody Allen's line 'bout the best >part of masturbation bein' the cuddlin' part afterwards.And gosh ya >feel so FULLFILLED! >Jest a question and a thought for now and evermore. >a cowboy named Robere....roberibus111 Robere, Is this the whole story of free will and predestination? Others compare our situation with a fish in the river. The river is flowing downstream, and carries the fish automatically to a certain destination. 'Certain things are meant to be, as rivers surely flow into the sea.' The fish can choose to swim left or right or in the middle, etc. Some fish can even exert will to work themselves upstream. Others are fond of saying that life can be likened to a game of cards. Destiny allots a set of cards to each of us, containing some good, some medium, and some bad cards. Then it is up to each of us to use our Creative Intelligence to make something out of that hand of cards. Either we focus ourselves on winning, and use all the alertness that is in our command, or we do not exert ourselves very much and leave many opportunities unused. Others say that our situation on earth is like that of many persons trying to find their way in a dark labyrinth. The structure of the labyrinth is so complex that hardly anyone finds the way out and is finally liberated. The majority grope in darkness, not possessed of a comprehensive map of the place, and are destined to die before finding the way out. When we take a close look at these different analogies, however, we will find that they do not provide the ultimate answer regarding the nature of free will, nor do they define the ultimate nature of predestination. It is clear that these analogies relate to the experiences that we have in the waking state of consciousness, and it is for this reason that they do not tell the whole story. They leave many things unexplained. The reason for the existence of so many different philosophies is the fact that we each experience life from our own individual viewpoint. The waking state of consciousness covers an infinite range of experiences, but they all have one thing in common: They do not touch the ultimate truth of life. The waking state of consciousness is like a house with a few windows here and there. Dwelling in the house, we are not able to see the entire range of our environment. When something passes in front of our window, we can see it clearly, but we are not aware of where it came from, nor are we able to determine where it goes to. This tempts us to believe that we are living in a world full of coincidences. Moreover, this restricted perception of the waking state poses an open invitation for us to indulge in speculation. Cosmic consciousness, is like a house made of glass. We are able to see 360 & deg; of our environment. To the farthest horizon, we can see certain events coming up and taking shape, before they pass by and merge once again with the horizon. Cosmic consciousness is characterised by 360 & deg; openness of awareness. This makes for good scientists, and for good artists as well. From this platform of unbounded awareness , now we are able to distinguish both subtle causes as well as the subtle mechanics that structure our life. From this unbounded and, therefore, unbiased viewpoint, we are capable now to appreciate that all actions of persons, including ourselves, are based upon their own very nature. In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says to Arjuna: 'Sadrisham cheshtate svasyah prakriter gyanavanapi prakritim yanti bhutani' 'Creatures follow their own nature. Even the enlightened man acts according to his own nature' (Bh.G. 3.33). This expression is based upon a deep appreciation of the unique nature of every single individual. It is clear that the free will that we as individuals exercise is determined by our very nature. Herein lies an answer to the question why certain fishes swim upstream, while others are happy to be carried on by the river. It suggests that the more self-knowledge we develop, the more insight we gain into our deepest motivations, and desires. But this is not yet the ultimate resolution of the paradox of free will and predetemination. For instance, what about the influence that creatures exert on other creatures, and what of environmental influences? In order to provide answers to these deepest questions that life poses to us, the wise, throughout the ages have advised us to meditate - to transcend our thoughts and feelings, our memories, desires, worries and plans - in order to obtain a complete, and all comprehensive insight into the mechanics of life, the mechanics of creation. Be without the three Gunas: Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, the three qualities of nature that are responsible for conducting all processes of change, all transformations, and all processes of evolution in the universe. Transcend them, Arjuna. Just be yourself, be established in your simplest form of awareness, get out of the field of change, and experience pure being, the source of all change. That is to say, establish your awareness in the state of unity, beyond diversity, beyond thoughts and feelings. In that state, the mind is freed from boundaries. When the mind has transcended itself, and has identified itself with pure, unbounded consciousness, it is absolutely free. Thus we see that pure consciousness, transcendental consciousness, is the state of real freedom. To put it even more clearly: freedom is a quality of pure consciousness. The more our consciousness is pure, the more we experience freedom in daily life. The freedom that we experience in the waking state is just the reflection of the absolute freedom which is inherent the nature of pure consciousness. Thus it is a universal experience that we only experience real freedom when our mind has identified itself with pure awareness, pure consciousness, pure being. We are not the mind, we are not the body, we have a mind and we have a body. Mind and body are the instruments through with we are able to express our Self. Having established ourselves in the state of being, the singularity of pure consciousness - we feel subjectively free. This freedom is of an absolute nature, because now we have identified ourselves with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature, the intrinsic quality of which is absolute freedom. Cosmic consciousness is the concrete experience when pure consciousness, gained first in meditation, has become an established feature of our being - pure consciousness, as the witness, is spontaneously and naturally maintained during all activities of the waking, dreaming and sleeping states of consciousness. In this state of all comprehensive awareness, or cosmic consciousness, we find the resolution of the eternal paradox of free will and predestination: Subjectively we are absolutely free, but objectively speaking, all our activities are carried out by all the Laws of Nature. From this cosmic perspective, we are able to see the truth about both the subjective and the objective sides of our existence. Subjectively, we know we are part of the eternal and abslute silent value of consciousness; and objectively, we know that we are part of the eternally dynamic value of existence. In cosmic consciousness, we directly experience that our subjectivity belongs to absolute silence, and that our objectivity belongs to the eternal dynamism of the 'automatic production line' of creation. When we no longer identify ourselves with the mind or the body, we know we are just the silent witness of all that is, was, and will be. Or, as the Bhagavad Gita puts it, 'Naiva kincit karomiti yukto manyeta tattvavit' 'He whose awareness is united and knows the truth, he will maintain " I do not act at all " .' (Bh.G. 5.8) Not that the mind-body system stops being active after having gained a higher state of consciousness - we simply become aware of the fact that we are not acting, and that in the past we have never been acting, and that in the future our true Self will never be acting! What is it then that makes our mind, body, intellect, and senses act? It is nature, nothing but nature, as Lord Krishna says to Arjuna: 'Prakrityai va cha karmani kriyamanani sarvashah, yah pashyati tathatmanam akartaram sa pashyati' 'He verily sees, who sees that all actions are done by nature alone, and that the Self is actionless.' (Bh.G. 13.29). The more that we are consciously identified with our essential nature as pure consciousness, the more we become aware of the perfect and orderly development that characterises the 'automatic production line' of the universe. The more self-referral we are, the more we realise the mechanics of nature's functioning. In this experience of higher states of consciousness, we resolve the paradox of free will and predetermination. In one and the same process of establishing our awareness in transcendental consciousness, we have discovered the truth about freedom, and we have discovered the truth about predestination! From the perspective of cosmic consciousness, we are able to see that these two fields of life exist side by side. Both are 100% in their own right. In cosmic consciousness, we experience absolute, eternal freedom as the essential quality of our own consciousness, and on that basis, from that transcendental viewpoint, we see the truth about activity - namely that it is conducted by the Laws of Nature, by almighty Nature itself, which moves according to a cosmic plan, outlined in the 'instruction manual of creation', the Veda. However new and perhaps unbelievable this may sound to people in the world, it is exactly the experience in cosmic consciousness. Not that the freedom becomes 100% available in cosmic consciousness, we only become aware of the freedom that has always been there. Likewise, not that predestination becomes 100% operable in cosmic consciousness, we only become aware of the predestination that was eternally there. .. All processes of thinking, speaking and acting are the expresion of the cosmic mechanics of creation. Having observed this to be true, over and over again, we develop an intuition, a feeling for the perfect and orderly set up of creation - even when our subjective experience is still limited to the waking state of consciousness. Having secured our subjective existence in absolute bliss consciousness, we begin to recognise that everything big or small, important or non-important is organised by the Creative Intelligence of nature. We start to cognize that all actions and all events are products of the Laws of Nature. In the normal waking state, we were not able to figure out reasons for many events in our lives, and, indeed for many events that were happening in the world at large. But now, when the comprehension of the mind has reached a cosmic perspective, everything begins to make sense to us. ..' Must these expressions of wise and enlightened men lead the mentality of the world to a kind of fatalism? No, not at all. This would be a wrong conclusion, drawn from perfect knowledge. Admittedly, these wrong conclusions do exist, and they form part of the wide-spread misunderstanding in which the world is today engulfed. But of course, these misunderstandings also form part of the cosmic plan. They must serve some purpose. But the fact that all processes are fixed, does not mean that we are forced to accept the situation as it is, without trying to do something about it. Brahman, the wholeness of consciousness, the wholeness of all that exists - contains all: knowledge and ignorance, light and darkness, birth and death, freedom and predestination, creation and destruction, good and evil, positive and negative, yin and yang, past and future, perfection and imperfection. To say that everything is ordained and organised by nature should not bewilder the wise. To say that everything is fixed does not mean that we cannot improve anything. To say that everything is fixed does note mean that we are not absolutely free! Our freedom is absolutely fixed. We are all destined to be free. We have the total freedom to create our destiny. Freedom and predestination are two sides of the same coin, the coin of life. : 'Life is a composite of a 100% freedom within a 100% determinism. Shinkai > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 > >As I told Manuel, who used to have a great forum > >on " A Net Of Jewels " , > > > >when he asked me if he should ban certain folks from > >posting (by the way, Judi was not one of them), > > > >I said, 'NO'. > > > > " Your forum is OPEN TO ALL. That is what makes it great! " > > > > > >El No longer a forum at all, simply a posting of statements from Ramesh ... And hopefully more peaceful for Manuel this way. Blessings to you, Manuel. Open forums always run the risk of discussion turning into adversarial ad hominem diatribes, that is, diatribes directs from one person at another, tending to go back and forth, rather than discussions about the message. The fact is, it takes much less energy to get involved in back and forth stuff aimed at persons -- and keeps the old patterns going without any look into truth -- the focus stays " out there " on " those people that bother me " ... Namaste ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 >The premise of the Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Movement is that the >current Gregorian Calendar and the mechanical clock constitue an artificial >timing frequency which is responsible for human alienation from nature and >the creation of a thoroughly materialistic civilization dominated by money >and machines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes telled elf.. that are the trues.. the tine is money calenders.. but we are movin faster than fasters thru tines.. to tine is art and into the eternal now.. now i get my quote as well fron Naggis Farn and then we a whole bunch for ourself Until you are free of the drug [of self-identification] , all your religions and sciences, prayers and yogas are of no use to you, for, based on a mistake, they strengthen it. But if you stay with the idea that you are not the body nor the mind, not even their witness, but altogether beyond, your mind will grow in clarity, your desires in purity, your actions in charity, and that inner distillation will take you to another world, a world of truth and fearless love The religion of truth and the religion of the Earth must be one: people of the book reunited with the people of the dawn. This can only be done by placing everyone in a new, common time that is in tune with the cycles of nature and the Earth. This is the universal harmony accomplished by the Thirteen Moon 28 day Calendar Change.The religion of truth is the religion of the Earth. Earth needs a religion of truth that is not dogma, not money, not sect, and not anything defined by boundaries, paper, or selfishness of any kind. Only truth will satisfy the Earth. If asked: Of what religion are you? Answer: I am the religion of the truth which is the religion of the Earth.The Thirteen Moon 28-Day Calendar Change is a fundamental change. It is not a legislative change, but a change mandated by divine authority that transcends and unifies all sects and creeds in a higher calling of the Earth.Planetary service is the basis of the new time. Ask not what you can do for yourself, your religion, or your country, but what you can do for your planet. New groups of planetary servers are needed to transcend dogmas of money, nationalism, and sectarianism of every kind. Who yet understand the fundamentally spiritual nature and divine unity of all creation _______________Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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