Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Having been away from computer for a few days; and another few days just sifting through the mass in search of the few gems and sparkling gem questions, now time to post a bit. Great question Stuart! Confusion is a wonderfull place to begin, maintaining that openess will take you far inside. Also to question apparent contradictions is a fine way to reach understanding, Colin. A few obversations on Maharaj's practices, bhajans, etc. 1. Pure enjoyment was obvious as he went about the various aspects of 'worship'. 2. Also he maintained the traditions for the sake of his Indian visitors comfort. 3. This is only my obversation, but it appeared as if Nisargadatta used the emotional aspects to balance the Westerners more intellectual approach. In general SNM is difficult to pidgen-hole. Like Walt Whitman he was not afraid to contradict his 'self'. Dan: Thanks for your writing about attempting to maintain control. Something I know, but forgot in the midst of an on-going quandry. I appreciate most of your post; but have to agree with 'weareone' that you might do well to allow Judi to defend herself. Sometimes wisdom is found in your post Judi, but your attack mode contradicts whatever insights you may wish to present, at least for me, and I suspect others. Perchance you can give up your self-appointed job of abusing others for just a little while, maybe you will find your help will be more available to others, and a bit of relief for your own being. For my own growth I find judging others or being judged is not usefull, but sometimes speaking-up can and must be done. It is true that sometimes Maharaj would appear to use anger (he was such a good actor one can never be sure), but his anger was never aimed to destroy, but to bring a new understanding. Nameste, John C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Hi John -- Glad for the resonance about control. Control is illusory, but an illusion that is difficult to do totally without in this human life. Control apparently is an orienting factor to the story of existing as human ... Regarding Judi -- I agree that Judi certainly can defend or not defend herself as she sees fit. Quite so. Also, enjoyed what you said about nonjudgment. Nonjudgment being real when one realizes one is not in a place from which to judge anyone, otherwise being a pose. Namaste, Dan > Having been away from computer for a few days; and another few days > just sifting through the mass in search of the few gems and sparkling > gem questions, now time to post a bit. > > Great question Stuart! Confusion is a wonderfull place to begin, > maintaining that openess will take you far inside. > Also to question apparent contradictions is a fine way to reach > understanding, Colin. A few obversations on Maharaj's practices, > bhajans, etc. 1. Pure enjoyment was obvious as he went about > the various aspects of 'worship'. 2. Also he maintained the > traditions for the sake of his Indian visitors comfort. 3. This is > only my obversation, but it appeared as if Nisargadatta used the > emotional aspects to balance the Westerners more intellectual > approach. In general SNM is difficult to pidgen-hole. Like Walt > Whitman he was not afraid to contradict his 'self'. > > Dan: Thanks for your writing about attempting to maintain control. > Something I know, but forgot in the midst of an on-going quandry. I > appreciate most of your post; but have to agree with 'weareone' that > you might do well to allow Judi to defend herself. Sometimes wisdom > is found in your post Judi, but your attack mode contradicts whatever > insights you may wish to present, at least for me, and I suspect > others. Perchance you can give up your self-appointed job of abusing > others for just a little while, maybe you will find your help will be > more available to others, and a bit of relief for your own being. > For my own growth I find judging others or being judged is not > usefull, but sometimes speaking-up can and must be done. It is true > that sometimes Maharaj would appear to use anger (he was such a good > actor one can never be sure), but his anger was never aimed to > destroy, but to bring a new understanding. Nameste, John C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 jcoxco wrote: > >Dan: Thanks for your writing about attempting to maintain control. > Something I know, but forgot in the midst of an on-going quandry. I > appreciate most of your post; but have to agree with 'weareone' that > you might do well to allow Judi to defend herself. Sometimes wisdom > is found in your post Judi, but your attack mode contradicts whatever > insights you may wish to present, at least for me, and I suspect > others. Perchance you can give up your self-appointed job of abusing > others for just a little while, maybe you will find your help will be > more available to others, and a bit of relief for your own being. > **** If and when I decide to abuse someone, I'll let you know, so you can watch. :-)) -- Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch http://www.livingston.net/allison/sacred01.htm Rev. Helen Hiwater, D.D. ... " Straighten up and bow down! There's nooooo way around it! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 " A few obversations on Maharaj's practices, bhajans, etc. 1. Pure enjoyment was obvious as he went about the various aspects of 'worship'. 2. Also he maintained the traditions for the sake of his Indian visitors comfort. " jcoxco -------------------------------- Have you ever noticed how people pick out things that suits the pseudo separate entity? It is written, Maharaj also said he did not try to change things, he just took them as they were. When asked about why the various rituals (--a carry over from his guru. Ancient Window dressing.) .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 It is written, Maharaj said, HE SAW NO NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 Nisargadatta, " elizabeth_wells2001 " <elizabeth_wells2001> wrote: > > It is written, > Maharaj said, > HE SAW NO NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING. > > . -------------- Which of course there isn't, when the pseudo separate entity is seen for what it is. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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