Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Hello Fellow Advaitins, This bmo has been lurking for some time. And then... the first post... happened... As the seeking happened through this bmo, another teaching that may resonate... Namastè, Davè Matri Satsang (Translated from Bengali) ( 21) Ahmedabad, May 10th, 1957. Question: Who is under the influence of ‘maya’? (**‘maya’ The Supreme Divine Power by which the One conceals Itself and appears as the many.) Ma : " He who asks the question. " Question : Who is it that asks the question? Ma: " The person who lacks knowledge of Reality: the individual (jiva) whose vision is obscured by a curtain asks the question. The curtain is oneself, the questioner one-self, oneself playing with oneself - one’s own pleasure. One cannot acknowledge the existence of God and also of the person who lacks Knowledge, the two cannot exist together. “Ekam Brahman dvitiya nãsti”: Where there is “only one Brahman and no second” who is the curtain? In essence you are THAT which is beyond ‘maya’, but today you believe yourself bound by ‘maya’ and it is this belief that constitutes the curtain. Try to realize your true Being. Only then will you be beyond ‘maya’. “Wherever a jiva is, there is Siva, and wherever a woman, there is Gouri.” Solely the Atma every-where! So long as the curtain is not lifted, questions will not cease to arise.” In course of conversation Ma said; World means that which is in constant flux and thus illusory. This pandal in which you are sitting now will not remain here to-morrow —— therefore it is transitory. Just as a tree did not exist earlier and will not be in existence much later, thus it is impermanent. Why do you not aspire towards Truth and Eternity? According to the doctrine of Vedanta or Advaita name and form are regarded as illusory. To think of name and form as separate from That which Is — this in-deed is false. Iii the case of a living Vigraha (Concrete Ex-ternal Presence as Form) there is no transitoriness. You are true, enlightened, the Atma (Self), beyond all names. You are the Atma Itself, free, Knowledge Itself. So long as God has existed, ‘maya’ The Supreme Divine Power by which the One conceals Itself and appears as the many is also in existence. But God is beyond maya - just like the eternal relationship between water and ice. Exactly as ice is nothing but water, so nirakra, the Formless, and sakara, God-with-Form, are one and the same. Evolution in nature means becoming, step by step. You dwell in the world of nature (prakrit jagat) where one views everything according to the spectacles worn over one’s eyes. So long as one lives in the realm of form and quality, one is bound to be subjected to the opposites of happiness and pain. In the world of nature there does exist this interplay between joy and sorrow. The Lord stages a play, Himself playing all the parts. The world is created by a mere stroke of God’s imagination. In the Upanishads it is explained that the mouth does not eat, the feet do not walk — He alone exists. He transcends ‘maya’ and yet appears subjected to He is playing according to His will. Try to become single-minded, mindless as it were. You can either take she path of neti, neti, “not this, not that,” or the path of “Thou art this, Thou art that.” He who takes care of everybody is the one and only Brahman. Räma, Krishna, Kãli, all represent the same Being, everything is contained in each. If you look upon a tree as divine, God will be revealed even there. Where is God not? The One-With - Quality (saguna) becomes Himself the quality. For the sake of His play He assumes the guise of ‘maya’. Perfect vision denotes omniscience, while happiness that depends on anything is bound to change into sorrow. When a child is born, everybody rejoices, but when he dies, there is grief. If happiness is derived from wife, son, home or any thing of the world, distress will follow without fail. Where complete independence of circumstances is, there alone can be perfect happiness. When the relationship of a servant to the Lord has been established, this indeed is happiness. Vigraha (Concrete External Presence as Form) means acceptance in a special form. Essentially Han (God) and the jiva are not separate. Looked at from a certain angle, who is it that is born? There is in fact no birth. To acknowledge birth is to bow to ignorance. All worldly relationship, be it that of friend or foe, is based on one’s attitude of mind. http://www.anandamayi.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 Sorry about the font. Hopefully this is more readable. Namastè, Davè on 5/4/02 6:03 PM, Dave Radmacher at galeshka wrote: Hello Fellow Advaitins, This bmo has been lurking for some time. And then... the first post... happened... As the seeking happened through this bmo, another teaching that may resonate... Namastè, Davè Matri Satsang (Translated from Bengali) ( 21) Ahmedabad, May 10th, 1957. Question: Who is under the influence of ‘maya’? (**‘maya’ The Supreme Divine Power by which the One conceals Itself and appears as the many.) Ma : " He who asks the question. " Question : Who is it that asks the question? Ma: " The person who lacks knowledge of Reality: the individual (jiva) whose vision is obscured by a curtain asks the question. The curtain is oneself, the questioner one-self, oneself playing with oneself - one’s own pleasure. One cannot acknowledge the existence of God and also of the person who lacks Knowledge, the two cannot exist together. “Ekam Brahman dvitiya nãsti”: Where there is “only one Brahman and no second” who is the curtain? In essence you are THAT which is beyond ‘maya’, but today you believe yourself bound by ‘maya’ and it is this belief that constitutes the curtain. Try to realize your true Being. Only then will you be beyond ‘maya’. “Wherever a jiva is, there is Siva, and wherever a woman, there is Gouri.” Solely the Atma every-where! So long as the curtain is not lifted, questions will not cease to arise.” In course of conversation Ma said; World means that which is in constant flux and thus illusory. This pandal in which you are sitting now will not remain here to-morrow —— therefore it is transitory. Just as a tree did not exist earlier and will not be in existence much later, thus it is impermanent. Why do you not aspire towards Truth and Eternity? According to the doctrine of Vedanta or Advaita name and form are regarded as illusory. To think of name and form as separate from That which Is — this in-deed is false. Iii the case of a living Vigraha (Concrete Ex-ternal Presence as Form) there is no transitoriness. You are true, enlightened, the Atma (Self), beyond all names. You are the Atma Itself, free, Knowledge Itself. So long as God has existed, ‘maya’ The Supreme Divine Power by which the One conceals Itself and appears as the many is also in existence. But God is beyond maya - just like the eternal relationship between water and ice. Exactly as ice is nothing but water, so nirakra, the Formless, and sakara, God-with-Form, are one and the same. Evolution in nature means becoming, step by step. You dwell in the world of nature (prakrit jagat) where one views everything according to the spectacles worn over one’s eyes. So long as one lives in the realm of form and quality, one is bound to be subjected to the opposites of happiness and pain. In the world of nature there does exist this interplay between joy and sorrow. The Lord stages a play, Himself playing all the parts. The world is created by a mere stroke of God’s imagination. In the Upanishads it is explained that the mouth does not eat, the feet do not walk — He alone exists. He transcends ‘maya’ and yet appears subjected to He is playing according to His will. Try to become single-minded, mindless as it were. You can either take she path of neti, neti, “not this, not that,” or the path of “Thou art this, Thou art that.” He who takes care of everybody is the one and only Brahman. Räma, Krishna, Kãli, all represent the same Being, everything is contained in each. If you look upon a tree as divine, God will be revealed even there. Where is God not? The One-With - Quality (saguna) becomes Himself the quality. For the sake of His play He assumes the guise of ‘maya’. Perfect vision denotes omniscience, while happiness that depends on anything is bound to change into sorrow. When a child is born, everybody rejoices, but when he dies, there is grief. If happiness is derived from wife, son, home or any thing of the world, distress will follow without fail. Where complete independence of circumstances is, there alone can be perfect happiness. When the relationship of a servant to the Lord has been established, this indeed is happiness. Vigraha (Concrete External Presence as Form) means acceptance in a special form. Essentially Han (God) and the jiva are not separate. Looked at from a certain angle, who is it that is born? There is in fact no birth. To acknowledge birth is to bow to ignorance. All worldly relationship, be it that of friend or foe, is based on one’s attitude of mind. http://www.anandamayi.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 Dear Dave, Thank you for posting the Matri Satsang. Some emails programs cannot read HTML code. I'm reposting it this time without the HTML code. Here it is again: Matri Satsang (Translated from Bengali) ( 21) Ahmedabad, May 10th, 1957. Question: Who is under the influence of `maya'? (**`maya' The Supreme Divine Power by which the One conceals Itself and appears as the many.) Ma : " He who asks the question. " Question : Who is it that asks the question? Ma: " The person who lacks knowledge of Reality: the individual (jiva) whose vision is obscured by a curtain asks the question. The curtain is oneself, the questioner one-self, oneself playing with oneself - one's own pleasure. One cannot acknowledge the existence of God and also of the person who lacks Knowledge, the two cannot exist together. " Ekam Brahman dvitiya nãsti " : Where there is " only one Brahman and no second " who is the curtain? In essence you are THAT which is beyond `maya', but today you believe yourself bound by `maya' and it is this belief that constitutes the curtain. Try to realize your true Being. Only then will you be beyond `maya'. " Wherever a jiva is, there is Siva, and wherever a woman, there is Gouri. " Solely the Atma every-where! So long as the curtain is not lifted, questions will not cease to arise. " In course of conversation Ma said; World means that which is in constant flux and thus illusory. This pandal in which you are sitting now will not remain here to-morrow —— therefore it is transitory. Just as a tree did not exist earlier and will not be in existence much later, thus it is impermanent. Why do you not aspire towards Truth and Eternity? According to the doctrine of Vedanta or Advaita name and form are regarded as illusory. To think of name and form as separate from That which Is — this in-deed is false. Iii the case of a living Vigraha (Concrete Ex-ternal Presence as Form) there is no transitoriness. You are true, enlightened, the Atma (Self), beyond all names. You are the Atma Itself, free, Knowledge Itself. So long as God has existed, `maya' The Supreme Divine Power by which the One conceals Itself and appears as the many is also in existence. But God is beyond maya - just like the eternal relationship between water and ice. Exactly as ice is nothing but water, so nirakra, the Formless, and sakara, God-with- Form, are one and the same. Evolution in nature means becoming, step by step. You dwell in the world of nature (prakrit jagat) where one views everything according to the spectacles worn over one's eyes. So long as one lives in the realm of form and quality, one is bound to be subjected to the opposites of happiness and pain. In the world of nature there does exist this interplay between joy and sorrow. The Lord stages a play, Himself playing all the parts. The world is created by a mere stroke of God's imagination. In the Upanishads it is explained that the mouth does not eat, the feet do not walk — He alone exists. He transcends `maya' and yet appears subjected to He is playing according to His will. Try to become single-minded, mindless as it were. You can either take she path of neti, neti, " not this, not that, " or the path of " Thou art this, Thou art that. " He who takes care of everybody is the one and only Brahman. Räma, Krishna, Kãli, all represent the same Being, everything is contained in each. If you look upon a tree as divine, God will be revealed even there. Where is God not? The One- With - Quality (saguna) becomes Himself the quality. For the sake of His play He assumes the guise of `maya'. Perfect vision denotes omniscience, while happiness that depends on anything is bound to change into sorrow. When a child is born, everybody rejoices, but when he dies, there is grief. If happiness is derived from wife, son, home or any thing of the world, distress will follow without fail. Where complete independence of circumstances is, there alone can be perfect happiness. When the relationship of a servant to the Lord has been established, this indeed is happiness. Vigraha (Concrete External Presence as Form) means acceptance in a special form. Essentially Han (God) and the jiva are not separate. Looked at from a certain angle, who is it that is born? There is in fact no birth. To acknowledge birth is to bow to ignorance. All worldly relationship, be it that of friend or foe, is based on one's attitude of mind. http://www.anandamayi.org/ Nisargadatta, Dave Radmacher <galeshka@u...> wrote: > Sorry about the font. Hopefully this is more readable. > > > Namastè, > > Davè > > > > > on 5/4/02 6:03 PM, Dave Radmacher at galeshka@u... wrote: > > > Hello Fellow Advaitins, > > > > This bmo has been lurking for some time. And then... the first post... > > happened... > > > > As the seeking happened through this bmo, another teaching that may > > resonate... > > > > Namastè, > > > > Davè Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 Hi Hur, Sorry about the html. This bmo shall now post only text in any present moment that posting happens. The Matri Satsang was only posted in part. The rest and much more at site below. Namastè, Davè on 5/5/02 9:17 AM, hurg at hurg wrote: > Dear Dave, > > Thank you for posting the Matri Satsang. Some emails programs cannot > read HTML code. I'm reposting it this time without the HTML code. > Here it is again: > > Matri Satsang > <snip> http://www.anandamayi.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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