Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 The longing of the mind is to be extraordinary. The ego thirsts and hungers for the recognition that you are somebody. Somebody achieves that dream through wealth, somebody else achieves that dream through power, politics; somebody else can achieve that dream through miracles, jugglery, but the dream remains the same: " I cannot tolerate being nobody. " And this is a miracle-- when you accept your nobodiness, when you are just as ordinary as anybody else, when you don't ask for any recognition, when you can exist as if you are not existing. To be absent is the miracle. This story is beautiful, one of the most beautiful Zen anecdotes, and Bankei is one of the superb Masters. But Bankei was an ordinary man. Once it happened that Bankei was working in his garden. A seeker came, a man in search of a Master, and he asked Bankei, " Gardener, where is the Master? " Bankei laughed and said, " Wait. Go in through that door, and inside you will find the Master. " So the man went round and came inside. He saw Bankei sitting on a throne, the same man who was the gardener outside. The seeker said, " Are you kidding? Get down from this throne. This is sacrilegious, you don't pay any respect to the Master. " Bankei got down, sat on the ground, and said, " Now then, it is difficult. Now you will not find the Master here ... because I am the Master. " It was difficult for that man to see that a great Master could work in the garden, could be just ordinary. He left. He couldn't believe that this man was the Master; he missed. Everybody is afraid of being nobody. Only very rare and extraordinary people are not afraid of being nobody --a Gautam Buddha, a Bankei. A nobody is not an ordinary phenomenon; it is one of the greatest experiences in life--that you are, and still you are not. That you are just pure existence with no name, with no address, with no boundaries... neither a sinner nor a saint, neither inferior nor superior, just a silence. People are afraid because their whole personality will be gone; their name, their fame, their respectability, all will be gone; hence, the fear. But death is going to take them away from you anyway. Those who are wise allow these things to drop by themselves. Then nothing is left for death to take away. Then all fear disappears, because death cannot come to you; you don't have anything for death. Death cannot kill a nobody. Once you feel your nobodiness you have become immortal. The experience of nobodiness is exactly the meaning of nirvana, of nothingness, of absolute undisturbed silence, with no ego, with no personality, with no hypocrisy--just this silence... and these insects singing in the night. You are here in a way, and still you are not. You are here because of the old association with the body, but look within and you are not. And this insight, where there is pure silence and pure isness, is your reality, which death cannot destroy. This is your eternity, this is your immortality. There is nothing to fear. There is nothing to lose. And if you think anything is lost--your name, your respectability, your fame--they are worthless. They are playthings for children, not for mature people. It is time for you to be mature, it is time for you to be ripe, time for you just to be. Your somebodiness is so small. The more you are somebody, the smaller you are; the more you are nobody, the bigger. Be absolutely nobody, and you are one with the existence itself _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 Circumstances and conditions rule the ignorant. The knower of reality is not compelled. The only law he obeys is that of love > _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what remains is all-embracing love > >Circumstances and conditions rule the ignorant. The knower of reality is >not >compelled. The only law he obeys is that of love > > > > >_______________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 > >shinkai taisen wrote: > > > > When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what remains > > is > > all-embracing love > > > > >***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. > >Judi You let people have their fun. You don't need to react. Just move to the state of consciousness where you want to be Leo _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 >Judi Rhodes wrote: > > > > Leo King wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >shinkai taisen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what > > > remains > > > > > is > > > > > all-embracing love > > > > > > > > > > > > > >***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. > > > > > > > >Judi > > > > > > You let people have their fun. You don't need to react. Just move > > to > > > the > > > state of consciousness where you want to be > > > > > > Leo > > > > > ** Their *fun* is but a demonstration of their suffering. > > > > >*** And to make matters worse, he's just whistling through his ass. Your suffering should have been more apparent to me Judi. Thank you for elucidating the point. As for the last comment.. Reverence my dear Reverance.. Straighten up and bow down theres nooooooo way through it Leo _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 > >Leo King wrote: > > > > >Judi Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > > > Leo King wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >shinkai taisen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, > > what > > > > > remains > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > all-embracing love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. > > > > > > > > > > > >Judi > > > > > > > > > > You let people have their fun. You don't need to react. Just > > move > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > state of consciousness where you want to be > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > ** Their *fun* is but a demonstration of their suffering. > > > > > > > > > > >*** And to make matters worse, he's just whistling through his ass. > > > > Your suffering should have been more apparent to me Judi. Thank you > > for > > elucidating the point. > > > > As for the last comment.. Reverence my dear Reverance.. > > Straighten up and bow down theres nooooooo way through it > > > > Leo > > >** Yeah, you got that right, now I get to suffer your guys asses. :-) > >And yes, exactly like I said, straighten up and bow down, there's noooo >way around it. > >You think you get to go to heaven, boy do you have a rude awakening! :-) > >Judi Time to take my own advice Let her have her fun, don't react and move to your chosen state of consciousness.. Happy days Judi _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 Judi Rhodes wrote: > > Leo King wrote: > > > > > > > >shinkai taisen wrote: > > > > > > > > When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what > > remains > > > > is > > > > all-embracing love > > > > > > > > > > >***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. > > > > > >Judi > > > > You let people have their fun. You don't need to react. Just move > to > > the > > state of consciousness where you want to be > > > > Leo > > > ** Their *fun* is but a demonstration of their suffering. > > *** And to make matters worse, he's just whistling through his ass ================================================== Just like all the rest of us are. (including you ) How can words ever explain the state of (what-we-call) BEing . Your long lost now regained friend ;-), Anand. ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 shinkai taisen wrote: > > The longing of the mind is to be extraordinary. The ego thirsts and hungers > for the recognition that you are somebody. Somebody achieves that dream > through wealth, somebody else achieves that dream through power, politics; > somebody else can achieve that dream through miracles, jugglery, but the > dream remains the same: " I cannot tolerate being nobody. " > ***** I tolerate it just fine. > And this is a miracle-- when you accept your nobodiness, when you are just > as ordinary as anybody else, when you don't ask for any recognition, when > you can exist as if you are not existing. To be absent is the miracle. > **** Nobody is absent. In order to be absent, there has to be somebody here in the first place, which there is not. -- Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch http://www.livingston.net/allison/sacred01.htm Rev. Helen Hiwater, D.D. ... " Straighten up and bow down! There's nooooo way around it! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 shinkai taisen wrote: > > When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what remains > is > all-embracing love > > ***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 Leo King wrote: > > > > >shinkai taisen wrote: > > > > > > When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what > remains > > > is > > > all-embracing love > > > > > > > >***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. > > > >Judi > > You let people have their fun. You don't need to react. Just move to > the > state of consciousness where you want to be > > Leo > ** Their *fun* is but a demonstration of their suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 Judy, You really seem to want to take away the bait (carrot) of enlightenment being happiness/heaven etc. Even the Buddha used to do that . Hence the Buddha said nirvana was void, nothing etc to take away the bait. Now I aprreciate your " pie in the sky " statement much better now. Regards, Anand > Just like all the rest of us are. (including you ) > **** No, I'm not parroting somebody else or speaking from wishful thinking. > How can words ever explain the state of > (what-we-call) BEing . > ***** It's not a matter of explaining, it's a matter of demonstration. It's " knack " . :-) > Your long lost now regained friend ;-), > Anand. > **** Aah, thanks Anand, much appreciated. Jud ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 Judi Rhodes wrote: > > Leo King wrote: > > > > > > > >shinkai taisen wrote: > > > > > > > > When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what > > remains > > > > is > > > > all-embracing love > > > > > > > > > > >***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. > > > > > >Judi > > > > You let people have their fun. You don't need to react. Just move > to > > the > > state of consciousness where you want to be > > > > Leo > > > ** Their *fun* is but a demonstration of their suffering. > > *** And to make matters worse, he's just whistling through his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 Leo King wrote: > > >Judi Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > Leo King wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >shinkai taisen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, > what > > > > remains > > > > > > is > > > > > > all-embracing love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. > > > > > > > > > >Judi > > > > > > > > You let people have their fun. You don't need to react. Just > move > > > to > > > > the > > > > state of consciousness where you want to be > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > ** Their *fun* is but a demonstration of their suffering. > > > > > > > >*** And to make matters worse, he's just whistling through his ass. > > Your suffering should have been more apparent to me Judi. Thank you > for > elucidating the point. > > As for the last comment.. Reverence my dear Reverance.. > Straighten up and bow down theres nooooooo way through it > > Leo > ** Yeah, you got that right, now I get to suffer your guys asses. :-) And yes, exactly like I said, straighten up and bow down, there's noooo way around it. You think you get to go to heaven, boy do you have a rude awakening! :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 Leo King wrote: > > > > >Leo King wrote: > > > > > > >Judi Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Leo King wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >shinkai taisen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, > > > what > > > > > > remains > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > all-embracing love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Judi > > > > > > > > > > > > You let people have their fun. You don't need to react. Just > > > move > > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > state of consciousness where you want to be > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > ** Their *fun* is but a demonstration of their suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >*** And to make matters worse, he's just whistling through his ass. > > > > > > Your suffering should have been more apparent to me Judi. Thank you > > > for > > > elucidating the point. > > > > > > As for the last comment.. Reverence my dear Reverance.. > > > Straighten up and bow down theres nooooooo way through it > > > > > > Leo > > > > >** Yeah, you got that right, now I get to suffer your guys asses. :-) > > > >And yes, exactly like I said, straighten up and bow down, there's noooo > >way around it. > > > >You think you get to go to heaven, boy do you have a rude awakening! :-) > > > >Judi > > Time to take my own advice > Let her have her fun, don't react and move to your chosen state of > consciousness.. > Happy days Judi > **** Aaah, much love to you Leo... Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2002 Report Share Posted May 11, 2002 Anand Eswaran wrote: > > Judi Rhodes wrote: > > > > Leo King wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >shinkai taisen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When all the false self-identifications are > thrown away, what > > > remains > > > > > is > > > > > all-embracing love > > > > > > > > > > > > > >***** No. Nothing. That's yet your fantasy. > > > > > > > >Judi > > > > > > You let people have their fun. You don't need to > react. Just move > > to > > > the > > > state of consciousness where you want to be > > > > > > Leo > > > > > ** Their *fun* is but a demonstration of their > suffering. > > > > > *** And to make matters worse, he's just whistling > through his ass > ================================================== > > Just like all the rest of us are. (including you ) > **** No, I'm not parroting somebody else or speaking from wishful thinking. > How can words ever explain the state of > (what-we-call) BEing . > ***** It's not a matter of explaining, it's a matter of demonstration. It's " knack " . :-) > Your long lost now regained friend ;-), > Anand. > **** Aah, thanks Anand, much appreciated. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 Anand Eswaran wrote: > > Judy, > > You really seem to want to take away the bait > (carrot) of enlightenment being happiness/heaven etc. > **** Yes, better that we understand ourselves instead. In your heart of hearts that's what you really want, is understanding. We can forgo all the happiness for it. If happiness comes, by whatever means, with understanding, great, but it should not be the focus of our quest. > Even the Buddha used to do that . Hence the Buddha > said nirvana was void, nothing etc to take away the > bait. > > Now I aprreciate your " pie in the sky " statement > much better now. > **** Good, glad you agree. It's really only common sense. Sanity. -- Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch http://www.livingston.net/allison/sacred01.htm Rev. Helen Hiwater, D.D. ... " Straighten up and bow down! There's nooooo way around it! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 Judy, The purpose of understanding is to satisy (intellectually/ intuitively etc) . In that light don't you think it's the other way around.I mean, why should I want to undertand something if I can be happy without the effort of understanding. Permanent happiness is what I'm " seeking " , peace without one moment of misery, pain.(That's the carrot ;-) ). You may disagree with that, I would like your take on that. Namaste, Anand. Anand Eswaran wrote: > > Judy, > > You really seem to want to take away the bait > (carrot) of enlightenment being happiness/heaven etc. > **** Yes, better that we understand ourselves instead. In your heart of hearts that's what you really want, is understanding. We can forgo all the happiness for it. If happiness comes, by whatever means, with understanding, great, but it should not be the focus of our quest. > Even the Buddha used to do that . Hence the Buddha > said nirvana was void, nothing etc to take away the > bait. > > Now I aprreciate your " pie in the sky " statement > much better now. > **** Good, glad you agree. It's really only common sense. Sanity. -- Happy Days, Judi ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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