Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Many concepts have practical value to everyday living Many do not.. especially those from the egoistic mind of man which is merely an exercise in confusion and lack of clarity Was there not value in the art of speaking toward everyday life and peace on the planet. After all sound is primordial * I agree. It seems many Advaitans reduce everything to the point of redundant semantics. I thought the original message was on target. On many of the Advaitan lists I'm on there's always this comeback... Who thinks that? Who wrote the e-mail? Who questions anything? Who wants to know? Yes it was a beautiful turnaround that Ramana used to halt the mind, but isn't there a point where we can discuss things in human terms? It seems to me to be more sincere than the kind of one-upmanship that this approach can seem to take. Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Thank you Leo, he text is plain and clear, the art is understanding it.. and it all reminded me of the art of speech for a moment Seven desired qualities of speech:1. Speaking with a minimum consumption of energy;2. Speaking rightly;3. Speaking harmoniously;4. Speaking pleasingly;5. Speaking powerfully;6. Speaking usefully;7. Speaking in such a manner that the speaker remains free from the binding influence of speech.The following excerpt elaborates on the theme of speaking rightly. Speaking RightlyA correct evaluation of right and wrong is found in its absolute value only on the plane of Being [the level of pure consciousness]. Therefore, the art of speaking rightly necessarily has its basis in the plane of Being.However, the basic considerations of the relative nature of the art of speaking involve the projected art of thinking; so all that is valid for the art of thinking is valid for the art of speech. Right speech has its basis in right thinking.Speech is the expression of both the heart and mind together. Therefore, for the speech to be right, it is necessary that the man be right in his heart and mind.Speech is the expression of one's state of evolution. One word from the mouth of a man reveals his inner quality. The softness of speech gives an expression to the culture of the heart, and the logic, imagination, or creativity expressed through the speech reveals the culture of his mind. A man could be screened for his whole state of evolution and development through one word of his speech.Speech is a very delicate medium between the man and his surroundings. It is highly important for the well-being of the individual and his surroundings that all the people should cultivate the art of speech, because one wrong word spoken gives wrong impressions in the atmosphere. The man may change his attitude, his decision, or his course of behavior, but the word that has gone out of his mouth can never be withdrawn. The influence that he has created in the audience and in the atmosphere around him can never be withdrawn. Therefore, it is highly important that one should know the art of speech and should know how to speak rightly.Speech is a projection of a thought, and, while the art of speech fundamentally lies in the art of thinking, it is much finer than the art of thinking itself, because every thought that arises in the mind need not be expressed as speech.Take the example of a businessman who is sitting with a friend in the evening, when suddenly an idea comes to his mind regarding some matter that he had to speak to his manager about the next day. It would be very odd if he began to give expression to his thought right there. This is what is meant by the art of speech being much finer and thus a more advanced art than the art of thinking.Speech has to be in keeping with the atmosphere. The thought and its expression as speech should be such that they are welcomed by the surroundings. Hundreds of words unsuitable to the atmosphere will prove futile against one word of value.Thus the art of speaking rightly gains fulfillment in the art of thinking, together with the skill of proper expression suitable to the atmosphere. This, as has already been said, depends upon the man being right in his heart and mind, and this, as we have seen, is only possible by the infusion of Being into the nature of the mind LAUNCH - Your Music Experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 In a message dated 5/14/2002 5:35:57 AM Central Daylight Time, anandesw writes: Get beyond all these concepts, please. Become IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anand, *Have you fully become it or are you talking shit? Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Hi all, All of you talk shit!!!! All !!! Including me now...... So there's no " art " to it.The art's just in your head. :-) Anand. PS : The more you elaborate the more worthless the mail gets because the more concepts you use!!! --- elf <elfinstein2000 wrote: > > Thank you Leo, he text is plain and clear, the art > is understanding it.. and it all reminded me of the > art of speech for a moment > > Seven desired qualities of speech: > 1. Speaking with a minimum consumption of energy; > 2. Speaking rightly; > 3. Speaking harmoniously; > 4. Speaking pleasingly; > 5. Speaking powerfully; > 6. Speaking usefully; > 7. Speaking in such a manner that the speaker > remains free from the binding influence of speech. > > The following excerpt elaborates on the theme of > speaking rightly. > > Speaking Rightly > A correct evaluation of right and wrong is found in > its absolute value only on the plane of Being [the > level of pure consciousness]. Therefore, the art of > speaking rightly necessarily has its basis in the > plane of Being. > > However, the basic considerations of the relative > nature of the art of speaking involve the projected > art of thinking; so all that is valid for the art of > thinking is valid for the art of speech. Right > speech has its basis in right thinking. > > Speech is the expression of both the heart and mind > together. Therefore, for the speech to be right, it > is necessary that the man be right in his heart and > mind. > > Speech is the expression of one's state of > evolution. One word from the mouth of a man reveals > his inner quality. The softness of speech gives an > expression to the culture of the heart, and the > logic, imagination, or creativity expressed through > the speech reveals the culture of his mind. A man > could be screened for his whole state of evolution > and development through one word of his speech. > > Speech is a very delicate medium between the man and > his surroundings. It is highly important for the > well-being of the individual and his surroundings > that all the people should cultivate the art of > speech, because one wrong word spoken gives wrong > impressions in the atmosphere. The man may change > his attitude, his decision, or his course of > behavior, but the word that has gone out of his > mouth can never be withdrawn. The influence that he > has created in the audience and in the atmosphere > around him can never be withdrawn. Therefore, it is > highly important that one should know the art of > speech and should know how to speak rightly. > > Speech is a projection of a thought, and, while the > art of speech fundamentally lies in the art of > thinking, it is much finer than the art of thinking > itself, because every thought that arises in the > mind need not be expressed as speech. > > Take the example of a businessman who is sitting > with a friend in the evening, when suddenly an idea > comes to his mind regarding some matter that he had > to speak to his manager about the next day. It would > be very odd if he began to give expression to his > thought right there. This is what is meant by the > art of speech being much finer and thus a more > advanced art than the art of thinking. > > Speech has to be in keeping with the atmosphere. The > thought and its expression as speech should be such > that they are welcomed by the surroundings. Hundreds > of words unsuitable to the atmosphere will prove > futile against one word of value. > > Thus the art of speaking rightly gains fulfillment > in the art of thinking, together with the skill of > proper expression suitable to the atmosphere. This, > as has already been said, depends upon the man being > right in his heart and mind, and this, as we have > seen, is only possible by the infusion of Being into > the nature of the mind > > > > > > LAUNCH - Your Music Experience ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Anand You have concept resistance at the moment ? Many concepts have practical value to everyday living Many do not.. especially those from the egoistic mind of man which is merely an exercise in confusion and lack of clarity Was there not value in the art of speaking toward everyday life and peace on the planet. After all sound is primordial >Hi all, > > All of you talk shit!!!! > All !!! > Including me now...... > > So there's no " art " to it.The art's just in your >head. > >:-) >Anand. > >PS : The more you elaborate the more worthless the >mail gets because the more concepts you use!!! > > --- elf <elfinstein2000 wrote: > > > Thank you Leo, he text is plain and clear, the art > > is understanding it.. and it all reminded me of the > > art of speech for a moment > > > > Seven desired qualities of speech: > > 1. Speaking with a minimum consumption of energy; > > 2. Speaking rightly; > > 3. Speaking harmoniously; > > 4. Speaking pleasingly; > > 5. Speaking powerfully; > > 6. Speaking usefully; > > 7. Speaking in such a manner that the speaker > > remains free from the binding influence of speech. > > > > The following excerpt elaborates on the theme of > > speaking rightly. > > > > Speaking Rightly > > A correct evaluation of right and wrong is found in > > its absolute value only on the plane of Being [the > > level of pure consciousness]. Therefore, the art of > > speaking rightly necessarily has its basis in the > > plane of Being. > > > > However, the basic considerations of the relative > > nature of the art of speaking involve the projected > > art of thinking; so all that is valid for the art of > > thinking is valid for the art of speech. Right > > speech has its basis in right thinking. > > > > Speech is the expression of both the heart and mind > > together. Therefore, for the speech to be right, it > > is necessary that the man be right in his heart and > > mind. > > > > Speech is the expression of one's state of > > evolution. One word from the mouth of a man reveals > > his inner quality. The softness of speech gives an > > expression to the culture of the heart, and the > > logic, imagination, or creativity expressed through > > the speech reveals the culture of his mind. A man > > could be screened for his whole state of evolution > > and development through one word of his speech. > > > > Speech is a very delicate medium between the man and > > his surroundings. It is highly important for the > > well-being of the individual and his surroundings > > that all the people should cultivate the art of > > speech, because one wrong word spoken gives wrong > > impressions in the atmosphere. The man may change > > his attitude, his decision, or his course of > > behavior, but the word that has gone out of his > > mouth can never be withdrawn. The influence that he > > has created in the audience and in the atmosphere > > around him can never be withdrawn. Therefore, it is > > highly important that one should know the art of > > speech and should know how to speak rightly. > > > > Speech is a projection of a thought, and, while the > > art of speech fundamentally lies in the art of > > thinking, it is much finer than the art of thinking > > itself, because every thought that arises in the > > mind need not be expressed as speech. > > > > Take the example of a businessman who is sitting > > with a friend in the evening, when suddenly an idea > > comes to his mind regarding some matter that he had > > to speak to his manager about the next day. It would > > be very odd if he began to give expression to his > > thought right there. This is what is meant by the > > art of speech being much finer and thus a more > > advanced art than the art of thinking. > > > > Speech has to be in keeping with the atmosphere. The > > thought and its expression as speech should be such > > that they are welcomed by the surroundings. Hundreds > > of words unsuitable to the atmosphere will prove > > futile against one word of value. > > > > Thus the art of speaking rightly gains fulfillment > > in the art of thinking, together with the skill of > > proper expression suitable to the atmosphere. This, > > as has already been said, depends upon the man being > > right in his heart and mind, and this, as we have > > seen, is only possible by the infusion of Being into > > the nature of the mind > > > > > > > > > > > > LAUNCH - Your Music Experience > >______________________ >Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now > at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Hi all, All of you talk shit!!!! Anand. ------------ Amen. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Hi all, All of you talk shit!!!! All !!! Including me now...... So there's no " art " to it.The art's just in your head. :-) Anand. PS : The more you elaborate the more worthless the mail gets because the more concepts you use!!! --- elf <elfinstein2000 wrote: > > Thank you Leo, he text is plain and clear, the art > is understanding it.. and it all reminded me of the > art of speech for a moment > > Seven desired qualities of speech: > 1. Speaking with a minimum consumption of energy; > 2. Speaking rightly; > 3. Speaking harmoniously; > 4. Speaking pleasingly; > 5. Speaking powerfully; > 6. Speaking usefully; > 7. Speaking in such a manner that the speaker > remains free from the binding influence of speech. > > The following excerpt elaborates on the theme of > speaking rightly. > > Speaking Rightly > A correct evaluation of right and wrong is found in > its absolute value only on the plane of Being [the > level of pure consciousness]. Therefore, the art of > speaking rightly necessarily has its basis in the > plane of Being. > > However, the basic considerations of the relative > nature of the art of speaking involve the projected > art of thinking; so all that is valid for the art of > thinking is valid for the art of speech. Right > speech has its basis in right thinking. > > Speech is the expression of both the heart and mind > together. Therefore, for the speech to be right, it > is necessary that the man be right in his heart and > mind. > > Speech is the expression of one's state of > evolution. One word from the mouth of a man reveals > his inner quality. The softness of speech gives an > expression to the culture of the heart, and the > logic, imagination, or creativity expressed through > the speech reveals the culture of his mind. A man > could be screened for his whole state of evolution > and development through one word of his speech. > > Speech is a very delicate medium between the man and > his surroundings. It is highly important for the > well-being of the individual and his surroundings > that all the people should cultivate the art of > speech, because one wrong word spoken gives wrong > impressions in the atmosphere. The man may change > his attitude, his decision, or his course of > behavior, but the word that has gone out of his > mouth can never be withdrawn. The influence that he > has created in the audience and in the atmosphere > around him can never be withdrawn. Therefore, it is > highly important that one should know the art of > speech and should know how to speak rightly. > > Speech is a projection of a thought, and, while the > art of speech fundamentally lies in the art of > thinking, it is much finer than the art of thinking > itself, because every thought that arises in the > mind need not be expressed as speech. > > Take the example of a businessman who is sitting > with a friend in the evening, when suddenly an idea > comes to his mind regarding some matter that he had > to speak to his manager about the next day. It would > be very odd if he began to give expression to his > thought right there. This is what is meant by the > art of speech being much finer and thus a more > advanced art than the art of thinking. > > Speech has to be in keeping with the atmosphere. The > thought and its expression as speech should be such > that they are welcomed by the surroundings. Hundreds > of words unsuitable to the atmosphere will prove > futile against one word of value. > > Thus the art of speaking rightly gains fulfillment > in the art of thinking, together with the skill of > proper expression suitable to the atmosphere. This, > as has already been said, depends upon the man being > right in his heart and mind, and this, as we have > seen, is only possible by the infusion of Being into > the nature of the mind > > > > > > LAUNCH - Your Music Experience ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 " Many concepts have practical value to everyday living... " Leo - Yes. And the ones that have the most practical value to everyday living are the " keep it simple,stupid " ones, brief and to the point. El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Nisargadatta, liquidunknown@a... wrote: > Many concepts have practical value to everyday living > Many do not.. especially those from the egoistic mind of man > which is merely an exercise in confusion and lack of clarity > Was there not value in the art of speaking toward everyday life and peace on > the planet. After all sound is primordial > > * I agree. > It seems many Advaitans reduce everything to the point of redundant > semantics. > I thought the original message was on target. On many of the Advaitan lists > I'm on there's always this comeback... Who thinks that? Who wrote the > e-mail? Who questions anything? Who wants to know? Yes it was a beautiful > turnaround that Ramana used to halt the mind, but isn't there a point where > we can discuss things in human terms? It seems to me to be more sincere than > the kind of one-upmanship that this approach can seem to take. > Poly ----------------------------- Yes, the " Who " approach has seen better days! My approach was " What am I? " Which just sort of appeared out of nowhere one day. Ånd after that moment, all that mattered was finding an answer to that question, or dying trying, neither of which I cared came first. Of course I never had a guru or was into spiritual stuff. I just went at it with a hammer and pick ax by myself. It never occurred to me that question had ever occurred to anyone ever before. El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Hi all, All of you talk shit!!!! How to take control of your responses: An instant way to calm jittery nerves is to start breathing slow and deep. This brings down the heart rate, blood pressure and muscle tension, sending a relaxation response throughout your body and mind. Inhale so that you can feel the air right reach into your abdomen. Take care not to breathe too fast-because if your vata vahi srotas or air circulating channels are not clear, the oxygen will be distributed unequally in your body; and that can do more harm than good. Therefore, keep the pace easy and the rhythm steady. The use of an aromatherapeutic essential oil at this time-lavender, rose, jasmine or the Vata or Worry Free blend are good choices-will support your deep breathing activity. Do this at least twice a day for 10 minutes each, and you will experience a new sense of bliss. > > > All !!! > Including me now...... > > So there's no " art " to it.The art's just in your >head. > >:-) >Anand. > >PS : The more you elaborate the more worthless the >mail gets because the more concepts you use!!! > > --- elf <elfinstein2000 wrote: > > > Thank you Leo, he text is plain and clear, the art > > is understanding it.. and it all reminded me of the > > art of speech for a moment > > > > Seven desired qualities of speech: > > 1. Speaking with a minimum consumption of energy; > > 2. Speaking rightly; > > 3. Speaking harmoniously; > > 4. Speaking pleasingly; > > 5. Speaking powerfully; > > 6. Speaking usefully; > > 7. Speaking in such a manner that the speaker > > remains free from the binding influence of speech. > > > > The following excerpt elaborates on the theme of > > speaking rightly. > > > > Speaking Rightly > > A correct evaluation of right and wrong is found in > > its absolute value only on the plane of Being [the > > level of pure consciousness]. Therefore, the art of > > speaking rightly necessarily has its basis in the > > plane of Being. > > > > However, the basic considerations of the relative > > nature of the art of speaking involve the projected > > art of thinking; so all that is valid for the art of > > thinking is valid for the art of speech. Right > > speech has its basis in right thinking. > > > > Speech is the expression of both the heart and mind > > together. Therefore, for the speech to be right, it > > is necessary that the man be right in his heart and > > mind. > > > > Speech is the expression of one's state of > > evolution. One word from the mouth of a man reveals > > his inner quality. The softness of speech gives an > > expression to the culture of the heart, and the > > logic, imagination, or creativity expressed through > > the speech reveals the culture of his mind. A man > > could be screened for his whole state of evolution > > and development through one word of his speech. > > > > Speech is a very delicate medium between the man and > > his surroundings. It is highly important for the > > well-being of the individual and his surroundings > > that all the people should cultivate the art of > > speech, because one wrong word spoken gives wrong > > impressions in the atmosphere. The man may change > > his attitude, his decision, or his course of > > behavior, but the word that has gone out of his > > mouth can never be withdrawn. The influence that he > > has created in the audience and in the atmosphere > > around him can never be withdrawn. Therefore, it is > > highly important that one should know the art of > > speech and should know how to speak rightly. > > > > Speech is a projection of a thought, and, while the > > art of speech fundamentally lies in the art of > > thinking, it is much finer than the art of thinking > > itself, because every thought that arises in the > > mind need not be expressed as speech. > > > > Take the example of a businessman who is sitting > > with a friend in the evening, when suddenly an idea > > comes to his mind regarding some matter that he had > > to speak to his manager about the next day. It would > > be very odd if he began to give expression to his > > thought right there. This is what is meant by the > > art of speech being much finer and thus a more > > advanced art than the art of thinking. > > > > Speech has to be in keeping with the atmosphere. The > > thought and its expression as speech should be such > > that they are welcomed by the surroundings. Hundreds > > of words unsuitable to the atmosphere will prove > > futile against one word of value. > > > > Thus the art of speaking rightly gains fulfillment > > in the art of thinking, together with the skill of > > proper expression suitable to the atmosphere. This, > > as has already been said, depends upon the man being > > right in his heart and mind, and this, as we have > > seen, is only possible by the infusion of Being into > > the nature of the mind > > > > > > > > > > > > LAUNCH - Your Music Experience > >______________________ >Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now > at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Thanks Chan, But has that anything to do with bliss, in the first place, I kindly enquire. The peace that comes with jasmine-oil vaporizes along with it. Get beyond all these concepts, please. Become IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anand, ----------------- Hi all, All of you talk shit!!!! How to take control of your responses: An instant way to calm jittery nerves is to start breathing slow and deep. This brings down the heart rate, blood pressure and muscle tension, sending a relaxation response throughout your body and mind. Inhale so that you can feel the air right reach into your abdomen. Take care not to breathe too fast-because if your vata vahi srotas or air circulating channels are not clear, the oxygen will be distributed unequally in your body; and that can do more harm than good. Therefore, keep the pace easy and the rhythm steady. The use of an aromatherapeutic essential oil at this time-lavender, rose, jasmine or the Vata or Worry Free blend are good choices-will support your deep breathing activity. Do this at least twice a day for 10 minutes each, and you will experience a new sense of bliss ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 >Thanks Chan, > > But has that anything to do with bliss, in the first >place, I kindly enquire. > The peace that comes with jasmine-oil vaporizes >along with it. > > Get beyond all these concepts, please. > > Become IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Anand, Tut tut Anand ! Take care not to breathe too fast-because if your vata vahi srotas or air circulating channels are not clear, the oxygen will be distributed unequally in your body; and that can do more harm than good!!!! > > > > >----------------- >Hi all, > All of you talk shit!!!! >How to take control of your responses: An instant way >to calm jittery >nerves is to start breathing slow and deep. This >brings down the >heart rate, blood pressure and muscle tension, sending >a >relaxation response throughout your body and mind. >Inhale so that >you can feel the air right reach into your abdomen. >Take care not >to breathe too fast-because if your vata vahi srotas >or air >circulating channels are not clear, the oxygen will be >distributed unequally in your body; and that can do >more harm >than good. Therefore, keep the pace easy and the >rhythm steady. >The use of an aromatherapeutic essential oil at this >time-lavender, rose, jasmine or the Vata or Worry Free >blend are >good choices-will support your deep breathing >activity. Do this >at least twice a day for 10 minutes each, and you will >experience >a new sense of bliss > >______________________ >Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now > at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Cough Cough.. Er.. don't get caught up in the spirit and lose sight of your humanity.. i am having this recurring sensation that some susbscribed to the list have forgotton they exist in the flesh Its a very odd perception Namaste Anand.. from a Human Being > >Dear Leo, > > > >Anand > >You have concept resistance at the moment ? > >Many concepts have practical value to everyday > >living > > > Shy off duality there. A concept is a concept is a >concept.period. > > > >Many do not.. especially those from the egoistic > >mind of man > >which is merely an exercise in confusion and >lack >of clarity > >Was there not value in the art of speaking toward > >everyday life and peace on > >the planet. After all sound is primordial > > > What you consider " Art of speaking " is a product of >your programming (genes/conditioning). >and hence unique. > > Dont get caught up in the details and lose sight of >the spirit. > >Namaste :-) >Anand. > > > >______________________ >Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now > at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 That was not very articulately stated Leo but I certainly get the gist of what you are trying to convey ! A lack of balance of the relative and absolute fields. I get the impression that the idea that " understanding " intellectual ideas = evolution. If only that was the case ! The human qualities of compassion, humility, kindness, love, sensitivity, refinement, appear to play no part in spiritual progress. Its who has reached the finish line and if you haven't hide it ! Ego rules > > > >Cough Cough.. Er.. don't get caught up in the spirit and lose sight of your >humanity.. i am having this recurring sensation that some susbscribed to >the >list have forgotton they exist in the flesh > > >Its a very odd perception > >Namaste Anand.. >from a Human Being > > > >Dear Leo, > > > > > > >Anand > > >You have concept resistance at the moment ? > > >Many concepts have practical value to everyday > > >living > > > > > > Shy off duality there. A concept is a concept is a > >concept.period. > > > > > > >Many do not.. especially those from the egoistic > > >mind of man > > >which is merely an exercise in confusion and >lack > >of clarity > > >Was there not value in the art of speaking toward > > >everyday life and peace on > > >the planet. After all sound is primordial > > > > > > What you consider " Art of speaking " is a product of > >your programming (genes/conditioning). > >and hence unique. > > > > Dont get caught up in the details and lose sight of > >the spirit. > > > >Namaste :-) > >Anand. > > > > > > > >______________________ > >Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now > > at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html > > >_______________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 > Get beyond all these concepts, please. > Become IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Anand, >*Have you fully become it or are you talking shit? So long as shit exists to you , that's what you are Anand. PS : Ive seen better wordplay than that! Colin does (unlike you ) a delightful job at that --- liquidunknown wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/2002 5:35:57 AM Central > Daylight Time, > anandesw writes: > > > > Get beyond all these concepts, please. > > > > Become IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Anand, > > > > *Have you fully become it or are you talking shit? > Poly > ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Nisargadatta, " shinkai taisen " <shinkai_taisen@h...> wrote: > > > That was not very articulately stated Leo but I certainly get the gist of > what you are trying to convey ! > A lack of balance of the relative and absolute fields. I get the impression > that the idea that " understanding " intellectual ideas = evolution. > > If only that was the case ! The human qualities of compassion, humility, > kindness, love, sensitivity, refinement, appear to play no part in spiritual > progress. > > Its who has reached the finish line and if you haven't hide it ! > Ego rules > -------------------------- Your kind of compassion Leo doesn't need. El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 I'm pure shit speaking (as in pure Consciousness):-) if that's what you like. ---- Anand. --- liquidunknown wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/2002 6:59:11 AM Central > Daylight Time, > anandesw writes: > > > > >*Have you fully become it or are you talking > shit? > > > > > > > > So long as shit exists to you , that's what > you > > are > > > > Anand. > > > > PS : Ive seen better wordplay than that! Colin > does > > (unlike you ) a delightful job at that > > > > Ah OK I see..... you're talking shit. > Poly > ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Good point Leo. Here is another understanding: Consciousness, existence takes all forms. Consciousness is the devout Catholic who prays to Jesus in a local church. Consciousness is the atheist who denies God and cannot stand Catholics. Consciousness plays all the roles, including *some* advaitins who repeat nondual mantras in a virtual temple, virtually denying the forms of duality and...you who react to this strange role. As long as there is the reflection of " I am " in a body/mind, there is no escape from any role. Once I knew someone who wanted to be like Ramana. I told him that was beautiful, nevertheless another role that Consciousness plays. Out of all the roles, I find the spiritual role the srangest one. Consciousness is playing a role in which the seeker yearns to go back to the Source that one has always been. Some call it the river of freedom and others the river of death. Oh make no haste! Hur Nisargadatta, liquidunknown@a... wrote: > Many concepts have practical value to everyday living > Many do not.. especially those from the egoistic mind of man > which is merely an exercise in confusion and lack of clarity > Was there not value in the art of speaking toward everyday life and peace on > the planet. After all sound is primordial > > * I agree. > It seems many Advaitans reduce everything to the point of redundant > semantics. > I thought the original message was on target. On many of the Advaitan lists > I'm on there's always this comeback... Who thinks that? Who wrote the > e-mail? Who questions anything? Who wants to know? Yes it was a beautiful > turnaround that Ramana used to halt the mind, but isn't there a point where > we can discuss things in human terms? It seems to me to be more sincere than > the kind of one-upmanship that this approach can seem to take. > Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 oops i meant to say good point polly. consciousness confused the forms that it is replying to Nisargadatta, " hurg " <hurg> wrote: > Good point Leo. Here is another understanding: > > Consciousness, existence takes all forms. Consciousness is the > devout Catholic who prays to Jesus in a local church. Consciousness > is the atheist who denies God and cannot stand Catholics. > Consciousness plays all the roles, including *some* advaitins who > repeat nondual mantras in a virtual temple, virtually denying the > forms of duality and...you who react to this strange role. As long > as there is the reflection of " I am " in a body/mind, there is no > escape from any role. Once I knew someone who wanted to be like > Ramana. I told him that was beautiful, nevertheless another role > that Consciousness plays. > > Out of all the roles, I find the spiritual role the srangest one. > Consciousness is playing a role in which the seeker yearns to go back > to the Source that one has always been. Some call it the river of > freedom and others the river of death. Oh make no haste! > > Hur > > > > Nisargadatta, liquidunknown@a... wrote: > > Many concepts have practical value to everyday living > > Many do not.. especially those from the egoistic mind of man > > which is merely an exercise in confusion and lack of clarity > > Was there not value in the art of speaking toward everyday life and > peace on > > the planet. After all sound is primordial > > > > * I agree. > > It seems many Advaitans reduce everything to the point of redundant > > semantics. > > I thought the original message was on target. On many of the > Advaitan lists > > I'm on there's always this comeback... Who thinks that? Who wrote > the > > e-mail? Who questions anything? Who wants to know? Yes it was a > beautiful > > turnaround that Ramana used to halt the mind, but isn't there a > point where > > we can discuss things in human terms? It seems to me to be more > sincere than > > the kind of one-upmanship that this approach can seem to take. > > Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Hur, Yes, that's so paradoxically true ,even poignant. But I guess it's like labour(every spiritualist like every mother goes through spiritual spasms of pain) Anand. --------------------- Out of all the roles, I find the spiritual role the srangest one. Consciousness is playing a role in which the seeker yearns to go back to the Source that one has always been. Some call it the river of freedom and others the river of death. Oh make no haste! Hur ______________________ Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now at: http://in.autos./cricket/tracker.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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