Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Hi El, Dan et al Mahesh Bhatt had mentioned somewhere in the autobiography of UG that Osho had delivered several talks against UG. Check out this interesting link and lets talk. ~dave OSHO: One of my sannyasins went to see U.G. Krishnamurti, and because he argued with him, U.G. Krishnamurti immediately became angry. And these people like U.G. Krishnamurti are telling people to drop anger, to drop greed, to drop the ego. But if you provoke them... Their whole religion is just skindeep. Inside is hiding a very pious ego, and when ego becomes pious it becomes poisonous. It is more dangerous because you become absolutely unaware of it, it goes so deep down in the unconscious. U.G. Krishnamurti lived with J. Krishnamurti for twelve years, and he never mentions his name. If somebody brings up J. Krishnamurti's name, he immediately condemns J. Krishnamurti -- and whatever he is saying is just an imitation of J. Krishnamurti, paraphrasing. The reason he cannot accept the fact that he has been with J. Krishnamurti for twelve years is very simple. The moment he accepts it, then you can compare his statements with J. Krishnamurti's, and you will find they are simply paraphrasing. He is repeating, imitating, he knows nothing. LINK to Osho quote: http://www.otoons.de/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Hi Dave -- This stuff is too funny, the way they pot-shot each other on top of spiritual mountain. They seem blind to their own pettiness and grandiosity, and acutely aware of others', Osho, U.G., and J.K. pretty similar on that account, although different in many other ways ... I notice Osho even says something about how U.G. " acted like a woman " -- I mean, it's all too much isn't it? Who is the real enlightened dude -- the one who is dead, the one who can get another one to get pissed off by sending a student to irritate him, or the one who paraphrases a guy whom he says he repudiates but of whom he is jealous? I mean, at what point do you just start rolling on the floor about this stuff? Thanks -- Smiling, Dan > Hi El, Dan et al > > Mahesh Bhatt had mentioned somewhere > in the autobiography of UG that Osho > had delivered several talks against > UG. > > Check out this interesting link > and lets talk. > > > ~dave > > OSHO: > > One of my sannyasins went to see U.G. Krishnamurti, and because he argued > with him, U.G. Krishnamurti immediately became angry. And these people like > U.G. Krishnamurti are telling people to drop anger, to drop greed, to drop > the ego. But if you provoke them... Their whole religion is just skindeep. > Inside is hiding a very pious ego, and when ego becomes pious it becomes > poisonous. It is more dangerous because you become absolutely unaware of it, > it goes so deep down in the unconscious. U.G. Krishnamurti lived with J. > Krishnamurti for twelve years, and he never mentions his name. If somebody > brings up J. Krishnamurti's name, he immediately condemns J. Krishnamurti -- > and whatever he is saying is just an imitation of J. Krishnamurti, > paraphrasing. The reason he cannot accept the fact that he has been with J. > Krishnamurti for twelve years is very simple. The moment he accepts it, then > you can compare his statements with J. Krishnamurti's, and you will find > they are simply paraphrasing. He is repeating, imitating, he knows nothing. > > > LINK to Osho quote: > > http://www.otoons.de/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm > > > > _______________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 >Hi dan> >This stuff is too funny, > They seem blind to their own > pettiness and grandiosity, > and acutely aware of > others', Osho, U.G., and > J.K. ... _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 I'm way too aware of my grandiosity and pettiness ... Never been much good as a spiritual teacher ... :-) Dan " shinkai taisen " <shinkai_taisen@h...> wrote: > > >Hi dan> > >This stuff is too funny, > > They seem blind to their own > > pettiness and grandiosity, > > and acutely aware of > > others', Osho, U.G., and > > J.K. ... > > _______________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 When it's all said and done, it is all said and done! :-) --Michael At 05:19 PM 6/10/2002, you wrote: Hi Dave -- This stuff is too funny, the way they pot-shot each other on top of spiritual mountain. They seem blind to their own pettiness and grandiosity, and acutely aware of others', Osho, U.G., and J.K. pretty similar on that account, although different in many other ways ... I notice Osho even says something about how U.G. " acted like a woman " -- I mean, it's all too much isn't it? Who is the real enlightened dude -- the one who is dead, the one who can get another one to get pissed off by sending a student to irritate him, or the one who paraphrases a guy whom he says he repudiates but of whom he is jealous? I mean, at what point do you just start rolling on the floor about this stuff? Thanks -- Smiling, Dan > Hi El, Dan et al > > Mahesh Bhatt had mentioned somewhere > in the autobiography of UG that Osho > had delivered several talks against > UG. > > Check out this interesting link > and lets talk. > > > ~dave > > OSHO: > > One of my sannyasins went to see U.G. Krishnamurti, and because he argued > with him, U.G. Krishnamurti immediately became angry. And these people like > U.G. Krishnamurti are telling people to drop anger, to drop greed, to drop > the ego. But if you provoke them... Their whole religion is just skindeep. > Inside is hiding a very pious ego, and when ego becomes pious it becomes > poisonous. It is more dangerous because you become absolutely unaware of it, > it goes so deep down in the unconscious. U.G. Krishnamurti lived with J. > Krishnamurti for twelve years, and he never mentions his name. If somebody > brings up J. Krishnamurti's name, he immediately condemns J. Krishnamurti -- > and whatever he is saying is just an imitation of J. Krishnamurti, > paraphrasing. The reason he cannot accept the fact that he has been with J. > Krishnamurti for twelve years is very simple. The moment he accepts it, then > you can compare his statements with J. Krishnamurti's, and you will find > they are simply paraphrasing. He is repeating, imitating, he knows nothing. > > > LINK to Osho quote: > > http://www.otoons.de/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Hya Dan, my few bits.. >This stuff is too funny, > the way they pot-shot each other > on top of spiritual mountain. >They seem blind to their own > pettiness and grandiosity, > and acutely aware of > others', Osho, U.G., and > J.K. pretty similar > on that account, although > different in many other ways ... yep, but 'funny' may putting it too lightly.. its absolutely hilarious! Its 'spiritual' entertainment for free; no charges attached (LOL) >I notice Osho even says something about > how U.G. " acted like a woman " -- > >I mean, it's all too much isn't it? ...Not to mention, is that Osho's opinion of women in general? >Who is the real enlightened dude -- the > one who is dead, the one who can get > another one to get pissed off by sending > a student to irritate him, or > the one who paraphrases a guy whom > he says he repudiates but of whom > he is jealous? ...beats me, Osho for one didn't outlive his usefulness. From what I've heard, Osho started this personal pot-shot when some of his smarter members of the inner circle left the Poona Ashram after meeting UG.I believe UG convinced them that all those therapeutic techniques that Osho was dishing out and marketing was bogus, a tranquilizer- bromide at most. UG's main point, unlike JK and Osho, was " how could the(nonexistent)mind be used to transcend the mind ? " Even the zen gang were undermined. ...but as the saying goes- you can fool the people some of the time but not all the time. Namaste ~dave _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 At 09:27 AM 6/11/2002, you wrote: UG's main point, unlike JK and Osho, was " how could the(nonexistent)mind be used to transcend the mind ? " Even the zen gang were undermined. ...but as the saying goes- you can fool the people some of the time but not all the time. Namaste ~dave The mind must come to an understanding. The mind must come to a stop. The mind must come to rest. Even after SELF realization the mind and the body continue to function. If it were not so, there would be no Dave, no Dan, no Michael to post these ridiculous messages on this group. :-) Surely, they arise in consciousness and they fall just as quickly. There is no one reading these messages, there is only reading. --Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Hi Dave -- > my few bits.. enjoying ... snip > yep, but 'funny' may putting it too lightly.. > its absolutely hilarious! Its 'spiritual' > entertainment for free; no charges attached (LOL) quite so! it's the teaching beyond the teaching, that one that makes me laugh for free ... > > >I notice Osho even says something about > > how U.G. " acted like a woman " -- > > > >I mean, it's all too much isn't it? > > ..Not to mention, is that Osho's opinion of women in general? Exactly! It's too much as much is revealed, of which the one revealing seems unaware ... snip > ..beats me, Osho for one didn't outlive > his usefulness. From what I've heard, > Osho started this personal pot-shot when > some of his smarter members of > the inner circle left the Poona Ashram > after meeting UG.I believe UG convinced them > that all those therapeutic techniques that Osho > was dishing out and marketing was bogus, a > tranquilizer- bromide at most. Not to mention, group-think idealizing mind-conditioning. > > UG's main point, unlike JK and Osho, > was " how could the(nonexistent)mind be > used to transcend the mind ? " Even the zen > gang were undermined. Not sure that this is truly a unique point, nor so different from JK or Zen. Zen teachings often stress that the mind can't be used to transcend itself. JK went on about the limitations of thought. Osho borrowed much from Zen and Sufism concerning the inability of mind to provide transcendence. There's no unique point ever made. No point looking for such a point. :-) > ..but as the saying goes- you can fool the > people some of the time but not all > the time. Good saying. I enjoyed a Zen story once read, about a monk who awoke each day telling himself, " Daisan, don't be deceived. " :-) Love and namaste, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > The mind must come to an understanding. > The mind must come to a stop. > The mind must come to rest. > > Even after SELF realization > the mind and the body continue to function. > > If it were not so, there would be no Dave, > no Dan, no Michael to post these ridiculous > messages on this group. :-) > > Surely, they arise in consciousness and they > fall just as quickly. > > There is no one reading these messages, > there is only reading. > > --Michael There is " woof! woof! " Love, Lassie :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 At 12:16 PM 6/11/2002, you wrote: > The mind must come to an understanding. > The mind must come to a stop. > The mind must come to rest. > > Even after SELF realization > the mind and the body continue to function. > > If it were not so, there would be no Dave, > no Dan, no Michael to post these ridiculous > messages on this group. :-) > > Surely, they arise in consciousness and they > fall just as quickly. > > There is no one reading these messages, > there is only reading. > > --Michael There is " woof! woof! " Love, Lassie :-) There is also meow, meow. Pass the lasagna! Love, Garfield :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > There is no one reading these messages, > there is only reading. Michael. -------------------------- > Listen to the sounds of silence, Mrs. Robinson. > > Not the silence that the ear registers, > that the still body feels -- > the silence you heard before > you grew an ear, and knew before > you felt. > > -- Dan ----------------------------- And now it is graduation day, Michael. Reading came and went. Ahhhhhhhhh. The peace that passeth understanding. El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 At 01:07 PM 6/11/2002, you wrote: > There is no one reading these messages, > there is only reading. Michael. -------------------------- > Listen to the sounds of silence, Mrs. Robinson. > > Not the silence that the ear registers, > that the still body feels -- > the silence you heard before > you grew an ear, and knew before > you felt. > > -- Dan ----------------------------- And now it is graduation day, Michael. Reading came and went. Ahhhhhhhhh. The peace that passeth understanding. El Yes EL. It IS wonderful! :-) Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 6/5/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 > " dan330033 " <dan330033 >Nisargadatta >Nisargadatta > Re: Osho on UG >Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:13:42 -0000 Dan - I see you're enjoying the play. These days I'm also keeping myself entertained but with the dialetics of Nagarjuna esp. his Madhyamaka Karika. And I agree with UG statement when he mentioned somewhere that the complete works of JK are contained in one sentence of Nagarjuna - " freedom from all concepts, neither existence or non-existence nor both existence and non-existence " . IMHO,if there were any real dudes in all history then Nagarjuna takes the cake. Some brief pointers.. > > UG's main point, unlike JK and Osho, > > was " how could the(nonexistent)mind be > > used to transcend the mind ? " Even the zen > > gang were undermined. > >Not sure that this is truly a unique point, >nor so different from JK or Zen. Right, but my comment was really directed to neutralize Osho's agreement that JK systematic methods using practises as choiceless awareness and so on, initiated by the mind could lead to mind transformation. OSHO - " U. G. Krishnamurti missed Ramana. Then he missed J. Krishnamurti too. He lived for years with J. Krishnamurti. Now, J. Krishnamurti is totally different in his expression, very logical, very rational. The beginning of his work is always with the mind; then slowly slowly he leads you beyond the mind " - Now is that really true ? The rshi of the Katha Upanishad made a key point - not by effort,learning, tapasya or discourses... but to whom the Self chooses - ~dave _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Hi Dave -- Nice chatting with you here. > I see you're enjoying the play. A reflection in a dew drop ... > These days I'm also keeping myself > entertained but with the dialetics > of Nagarjuna esp. his Madhyamaka Karika. Excellent. > And I agree with UG statement when he mentioned > somewhere that the complete works of JK are > contained in one sentence of Nagarjuna - > " freedom from all concepts, neither existence > or non-existence nor both existence and non-existence " . UG's statement is clearly self-serving and with agenda. Take out anything self-serving and you've got: Nagarjuna was clear -- " freedom from all concepts, neither existence nor non-existence, nor both ... " Oops, forgot to mention " not neither existence nor nonexistence " ... But, from whence comes dragged in " the complete works of JK are summed up " ... just a comparison, an activity of mind ... for what? the truth is here, that's enough -- The complete works of JK -- such nonsense -- getting caught up in the complete works of so and so -- there are no complete works of so and so -- this is completeness ... > IMHO,if there were any real dudes in all > history then Nagarjuna takes the cake. He took the cake, and then he was taken. " And your little dog, too! " :-) > > Some brief pointers.. > > > > UG's main point, unlike JK and Osho, > > > was " how could the(nonexistent)mind be > > > used to transcend the mind ? " Even the zen > > > gang were undermined. > > > >Not sure that this is truly a unique point, > >nor so different from JK or Zen. > > Right, but my comment was really directed to > neutralize Osho's agreement that JK systematic methods > using practises as choiceless awareness and so on, > initiated by the mind could lead to mind transformation. O.K. But this is distortion -- JK made clear that he wasn't describing a path or a practice. Choiceless awareness isn't something practiced, isn't done to get a result. It's choiceless -- what has been called " acausal. " Did JK's tone get contradictory, do he sometimes sound like he was prescribing? Perhaps. But a speaker's tone is a speaker's tone, reality is reality. Speakers being concerned about one another's tones, and reality remains reality. > > OSHO - " U. G. Krishnamurti missed Ramana. Then he missed J. Krishnamurti > too. He lived for years with J. Krishnamurti. Now, J. Krishnamurti is > totally different in his expression, very logical, very rational. The > beginning of his work is always with the mind; then slowly slowly he leads > you beyond the mind " - > > Now is that really true ? I agree with you. It's a fool's game, but it paid the bills. Established the K Foundation, too. The rshi of the Katha Upanishad > made a key point - not by effort,learning, tapasya or discourses... > but to whom the Self chooses - > > Well, in/as reality there is only Self, which is thus notSelf at all -- and no one to be chosen - one dew drop's reflection includes a million reflections of a million dew drops reflecting ... So you are chosen, because there is none other to choose. Lucky you -- only by being chosen, you get to be not, you get to get that you don't get to get ... -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: >> >> He took the cake, and then he was taken. > > " And your little dog, too! " :-) > ******* I heard that!! :-) hehehhe Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, June 14, 2002 10:14 AM Re: Osho on UG > > "And your little dog, too!" :-)> > > ******* I heard that!! :-)Ah yes -- you did.Because you're not in Kansas, anymore :-)-- Dan******* Yeah, I figure it's somewhere over the rainbow. I dunno. :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 > > " And your little dog, too! " :-) > > > ******* I heard that!! :-) Ah yes -- you did. Because you're not in Kansas, anymore :-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2002 Report Share Posted June 16, 2002 - Bondzai Nisargadatta Sunday, June 16, 2002 8:23 AM Re: Osho on UG well, OZark is just over the border in Misery ****** Do tell? Give us a run down? What is your experience? Judi Nisargadatta, "Judi Rhodes" <judirhodes@z...> wrote:> > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 14, 2002 10:14 AM> Re: Osho on UG> > > > > "And your little dog, too!" :-)> > > > > ******* I heard that!! :-)> > Ah yes -- you did.> > Because you're not in Kansas, anymore :-)> > -- Dan> > > ******* Yeah, I figure it's somewhere over the rainbow. I dunno. :-)> > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2002 Report Share Posted June 16, 2002 well, OZark is just over the border in Misery Nisargadatta, " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 14, 2002 10:14 AM > Re: Osho on UG > > > > > " And your little dog, too! " :-) > > > > > ******* I heard that!! :-) > > Ah yes -- you did. > > Because you're not in Kansas, anymore :-) > > -- Dan > > > ******* Yeah, I figure it's somewhere over the rainbow. I dunno. :-) > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2002 Report Share Posted June 16, 2002 Follow the yellow brick road. Follow the yellow brick road. Follow the yellow brick road. You and your dog, Toto, Too He He :-) At 08:23 AM 6/16/2002, you wrote: well, OZark is just over the border in Misery Nisargadatta, " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, June 14, 2002 10:14 AM > Re: Osho on UG > > > > > " And your little dog, too! " :-) > > > > > ******* I heard that!! :-) > > Ah yes -- you did. > > Because you're not in Kansas, anymore :-) > > -- Dan > > > ******* Yeah, I figure it's somewhere over the rainbow. I dunno. :-) > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2002 Report Share Posted June 16, 2002 we went to Branson Mo. last week and spent a lot of money at Silver Dollar City. On the way home (to Kansas) while stil in Missouri, we passed through Ozark Mo. Nisargadatta, " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > - > Bondzai > Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 16, 2002 8:23 AM > Re: Osho on UG > > > well, OZark is just over the border in Misery > > ****** Do tell? Give us a run down? What is your experience? > > Judi > > > > > Nisargadatta, " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, June 14, 2002 10:14 AM > > Re: Osho on UG > > > > > > > > " And your little dog, too! " :-) > > > > > > > ******* I heard that!! :-) > > > > Ah yes -- you did. > > > > Because you're not in Kansas, anymore :-) > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > ******* Yeah, I figure it's somewhere over the rainbow. I > dunno. :-) > > > > Judi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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