Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Great slinging guys! Or as the professionals say: Keep talking, 'cause if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, you can always baffle them with your bullshit! Oh, but if they ever stop laughing - run! heeheehee Actually, the dialogue was excellent. thanks and muy amore - michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 Dear Michael, Bullshit is just my symbol for the entire world of phenomenality :-) .But I believe that that's exactly what the " utility " of anything you might " do " to achieve or experience THAT. Im not telling people not to meditate , not to seek : only that THAT happening is irrespective and irrelevant to the seeking and the meditation. ( as I told Dan, the occurence of THAT is attributed later, even by the master who recounts his " experience " : which is again extended in space-time ). THAT is pure noumenon and nothing in phenomenality can ever get you there. If IT happens, IT happens. period. This is the building precept of other Oriental schools like Zen . Joshu's MU symbolizes the irrelevance of causality (YES/NO type answers rooted in causality) in the awakening ofyour natural state . Advaita and any teaching is but a subjective opinion of a master who , though fully-realized, is constrained by his psychosomatic apparatus in space-time ( called his mind) in putting things in the world of phenomenality. In fact, what does he have that you do not already possess but the direct understanding of his nature ?( rooted again in his mind) Hence all the teachings of all the sages are but BS though their direct experience might be undeniable ! Bullshitfully yours,:-) ----- Anand. --- Michael Read <maread wrote: > Great slinging guys! > > Or as the professionals say: > Keep talking, 'cause if you can't dazzle them > with your brilliance, you can always baffle > them with your bullshit! > > Oh, but if they ever stop laughing - run! > heeheehee > > Actually, the dialogue was excellent. > > thanks and muy amore - michael > ______________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 Dear Anand -- If there is something that happens, then that, too, is phenomenality. Anything that happens is phenomenality, so of what use is it to talk about an " it " that " happens " ... It is always happening -- so what? Phenomenality is a meaningless word, because it can't get outside of phenomenality, to know what phenomenality is. Pink and green namastes, Dan > Dear Michael, > > Bullshit is just my symbol for the entire world of > phenomenality :-) .But I believe that that's exactly > what the " utility " of anything you might " do " to > achieve or experience THAT. > > Im not telling people not to meditate , not to seek > : only that THAT happening is irrespective and > irrelevant to the seeking and the meditation. ( as I > told Dan, the occurence of THAT is attributed later, > even by the master who recounts his " experience " : > which is again extended in space-time ). > > THAT is pure noumenon and nothing in phenomenality > can ever get you there. If IT happens, IT happens. > period. > > This is the building precept of other Oriental > schools like Zen . Joshu's MU symbolizes the > irrelevance of causality (YES/NO type answers rooted > in causality) in the awakening ofyour natural state . > > Advaita and any teaching is but a subjective opinion > of a master who , though fully-realized, is > constrained by his psychosomatic apparatus in > space-time ( called his mind) in putting things in > the world of phenomenality. In fact, what does he have > that you do not already possess but the direct > understanding of his nature ?( rooted again in his > mind) > > Hence all the teachings of all the sages are but BS > though their direct experience might be undeniable ! > > Bullshitfully yours,:-) > ----- > Anand. > > > --- Michael Read <maread@t...> wrote: > Great > slinging guys! > > > > Or as the professionals say: > > Keep talking, 'cause if you can't dazzle them > > with your brilliance, you can always baffle > > them with your bullshit! > > > > Oh, but if they ever stop laughing - run! > > heeheehee > > > > Actually, the dialogue was excellent. > > > > thanks and muy amore - michael > > > > ____________________ __ > Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! > visit http://in.autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 My bullshit is the supreme bullshit, and you can order it with nachos and hot sauce if you'd like. They stopped laughing. Heading for the hills, Dan > Great slinging guys! > > Or as the professionals say: > Keep talking, 'cause if you can't dazzle them > with your brilliance, you can always baffle > them with your bullshit! > > Oh, but if they ever stop laughing - run! > heeheehee > > Actually, the dialogue was excellent. > > thanks and muy amore - michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 >Dear Anand -- >If there is something that happens, > then that, too, is phenomenality. >Anything that happens is phenomenality, >so of what use is it to talk about an " it " that " happens " ... >It is always happening -- so what? Bravo! Good observation. That's exactly why I said self-realization is for the mind and only the mind. >Phenomenality is a meaningless word, > because it can't get outside of > phenomenality, to know what > phenomenality is. Yes, Dan. So just accept that there is NOTHING that you could do to get enlightened.It's beyond you and me as individuals.Whatever you and I could ever do / including not doing anything would be in phenomenality. Just accept it and let the knowledge work at whatever level it does. rainbow namastes whipped with cream, :-) --------- Anand ______________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2002 Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 Hi Anand -- > Bravo! Good observation. That's exactly why I said > self-realization is for the mind and only the mind. Okay, if you say so. > >Phenomenality is a meaningless word, > > because it can't get outside of > > phenomenality, to know what > > phenomenality is. > > Yes, Dan. So just accept that there is NOTHING that > you could do to get enlightened. Anand, accepting or rejecting beliefs about enlightenment, is as useless as trying to obtain enlightenment. > It's beyond you and me > as individuals.Whatever you and I could ever do / > including not doing anything would be in > phenomenality. Just accept it and let the knowledge > work at whatever level it does. There is no one there to accept it or not accept it, except insofar as a belief is maintained that such a one exists. When no belief about an entity is maintained, there are no levels at which knowledge could work, for no entity to hold the knowledge, nor to benefit from its work. > rainbow namastes whipped with cream, :-) Those are the best! :-) Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Ohe Dan, >There is no one there to accept it or not accept >it, except insofar as a belief is maintained >that such a one exists. Yes. Usually there is a mind to think up thoughts and maintain the belief of individuality . What is absent in the sage's case is the belief of " individuality " which is again in conceptuality pertaining to his MIND only. Thus there is no " individual " to own up for thoughts arising in that mind : hence the non-association that Shankara calls " detachment " . >When no belief about an entity is maintained, >there are no levels at which knowledge could >work, for no entity to hold the knowledge, nor to >benefit from its work. Yes, absolutely true. Hence Buddha stated " The unique thing about the Supreme Realization is that it gave me nothing new. That is why it is supreme " multi-hued namastes, ----- Anand. PS : Slinging with you is sure fun, buddy. You're a beautiful person.Keep them mails coming. :-) ______________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hey there, Anand! > Yes. Usually there is a mind to think up thoughts > and maintain the belief of individuality . Yes. So it was said, " bring forth your mind, show me it, and I will enlighten it. " What is > absent in the sage's case is the belief of > " individuality " which is again in conceptuality > pertaining to his MIND only. Thus there is no > " individual " to own up for thoughts arising in that > mind : hence the non-association that Shankara calls > " detachment " . O.K. And then, there is no " his MIND " at all. Then, there is no persisting thought " this is the mind of a sage. " Why would there be? For whose benefit? Thoughts arise and dissolve, that is all. There is no concern about what each thought refers to, whether or not there is or isn't a belief in individuality present in a thought. For whose sake would there be such a concern about which beliefs are or are not present in a thought? snip > Yes, absolutely true. > Hence Buddha stated " The unique thing about the > Supreme Realization is that it gave me nothing new. > That is why it is supreme " Exactly. Or, as it is said, " From complete and total enlightenment, nothing was gained. For this reason, it is called complete and total enlightenment. " > multi-hued namastes, Garbanzo-sized namastes, surrounded by butterflies, Dan > > PS : Slinging with you is sure fun, buddy. You're a > beautiful person.Keep them mails coming. :-) PS: Here comes one now ... Appreciating the beauty shining through you ... this reflection of what has never been seen ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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