Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 Holy cow! Anand, you are only 22? I've been searching every nook and crannie of my life for someone as spiritual as you. Just to kick it and hang out with, and to bump ideas across. You see the truth so clearly! Please, help me to see the truth as well. I've taken what you've said in your last reply to me as inquiries to meditate on during the next couple of days. Thanks so much for the help!! -Luke >Nisargadatta >Nisargadatta >Nisargadatta > Digest Number 539 >30 Jun 2002 11:27:12 -0000 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 Hi Luke, >-Holy cow! Anand, you are only 22? I've been > searching every nook and crannie > of my life for someone as spiritual as you. Does age have anything to do with the seeking? What is so-called maturity is but layers of conditioning, constantly creating a smoke-layer through which we view the world . The profoundest maturity is non-maturity (as that of an infant ) where there is choiceless and spontaneous acceptance of what IS , on a moment-to-moment basis. In fact, " you " are timeless and infinite. I love El's neat verbalization : " point in void " Just to > kick it and hang out > with, and to bump ideas across. You see the truth so > clearly! Being the Truth is seeing the truth How can you look for/seek to see a Truth that is apart from yourself. >Please, help > me to see the truth as well. I've taken what you've > said in your last reply > to me as inquiries to meditate on during the next > couple of days. Can I ever give you anything that is not yours already . Anything anybody can ever give/take would but be in phenomenality. > Thanks so > much for the help!! > -Luke > Alas,my friend, anything that Anand or anyone (even Maharaj for that matter) could do to help you would but be in time-space, having nothing to do with your true state. We meditate,seek,read,pray expecting that we are spiralling in . However, that is but an illusion.Fact is, we keep going round and round in perfectly circular paths. That doesn't mean we don't do it. If this doesn't make sense, your mind and causality are the culprits. :-) Anything that a " person " can give you is a subjective view, in time-space based on a body of experience, which would have nothing to do with THAT. Star-studded namastes , ----- Anand. ______________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 hey Anand, you could be my grandson! (almost) I think age matters I'm getting stupider by the minute besides I fried my brains on clearlight acid back in my beatnik eighties, but that was the first time I got in touch of " BEiNG MYSELF " awareness and the cosmos. or was it with my ego? --what do you think did you hear about any similarities? [1] --is the awareness watching awareness similar to the vichara of Ramana? [2] can someone just get N's teaching without rigorous practice for ages and for hours per day? [3] -as I assume you didn't have time for yet <grin> ~k~ I numbered my question please answer all 3 Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > Hi Luke, > > >-Holy cow! Anand, you are only 22? I've been > > searching every nook and crannie > > of my life for someone as spiritual as you. > > Does age have anything to do with the seeking? > What is so-called maturity is but layers of > conditioning, constantly creating a smoke-layer > through which we view the world . > > The profoundest maturity is non-maturity (as that of > an infant ) where there is choiceless and spontaneous > acceptance of what IS , on a moment-to-moment basis. > > In fact, " you " are timeless and infinite. > I love El's neat verbalization : " point in void " > > > Just to > > kick it and hang out > > with, and to bump ideas across. You see the truth so > > clearly! > > > Being the Truth is seeing the truth > How can you look for/seek to see a Truth that is > apart from yourself. > > > > >Please, help > > me to see the truth as well. I've taken what you've > > said in your last reply > > to me as inquiries to meditate on during the next > > couple of days. > > > Can I ever give you anything that is not yours > already . Anything anybody can ever give/take would > but be in phenomenality. > > > > > > Thanks so > > much for the help!! > > -Luke > > > > Alas,my friend, anything that Anand or anyone (even > Maharaj for that matter) could do to help you would > but be in time-space, having nothing to do with your > true state. > > We meditate,seek,read,pray expecting that we are > spiralling in . However, that is but an illusion.Fact > is, we keep going round and round in perfectly > circular paths. > > That doesn't mean we don't do it. If this doesn't > make sense, your mind and causality are the culprits. > :-) > > Anything that a " person " can give you is a > subjective view, in time-space based on a body of > experience, which would have nothing to do with THAT. > > > > Star-studded namastes , > ----- > Anand. > > > ______________________ > Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! > visit http://in.autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Dear beatnik granpa K (well , almost) , you could be my grandson! (almost) I >think age matters I'm getting stupider by the >minute Now, isn't that realization the beginning of profoundest wisdom? :-) > besides I fried my brains on clearlight >acid back in my beatnik eighties, but that was >the first time I got in touch of " BEiNG MYSELF " >awareness and the cosmos. >or was it with my ego? --what do you think did >you hear about any similarities? [1] If we have to get into question of similarities, we'd essensially be talking in duality about subjective experiences in a pseudo-lifetimes extended through time-space by fictional entities that we wrongly misidentify as individuals. What you call the " real " yourself is even closer to yourself than (what you mispercieve as) " you " . Hence the traditional approach is that of apperception/negation. And the paradox is whatever you/I do as an " individual " will inevitably be rooted in the ego >--is the awareness watching awareness similar to >the vichara of Ramana? [2] Is a Ramana/any guru the solution? Whatever a Ramana could provide could but be in phenomenality. Does your comprehension/practice in anyway lead you anywhere? You do whateever you do because you believe in causality? Is there something called causality, though? Do you have the courage to stand for absolutely nothing (including the seeeking)? >can someone just get N's teaching without >rigorous practice for ages and for hours per day? >[3] -as I assume you didn't have time for yet I assure you, everything that N/the Buddha/the Bible or any peanut-butter master ever wrote is bigtime BULLSHIT! Yoiu would have to take that on faith. So is imbibing N's teachings really the answer? You've obviously done lotsa reading? Where has it taken you? Kindly inquire honestly within,see the ridiculousness of " everything " ( including the seeking, I re-iterate) that you call life ! That is the profoundest maturity. Venerable namastes from a brash youngster, ---- Anand ______________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Nicely stated, Anand. Commenting just as an expression of resonation ... > If we have to get into question of similarities, we'd > essensially be talking in duality about subjective > experiences in a pseudo-lifetimes extended through > time-space by fictional entities that we wrongly > misidentify as individuals. True, very true. This " mind of comparison " is taken as the bedrock of reality in social consensus terms. That is, comparing Joe with Sam for their similarities and differences, I decide who to hire, who to fire, who to retire, and in times of war, who is friend or foe. Although " pseudo " this mind of comparison becomes the basis for deadly serious behaviors, and is the basis of education beginning at a very early age (who is smart or stupid, who moves ahead, who gets left behind, who is attractive, who is good or bad, etc., etc., etc.) ... Talk about building up a heavy (albeit fictional) weight. > What you call the " real " yourself is even closer to > yourself than (what you mispercieve as) " you " . Hence > the traditional approach is that of > apperception/negation. > And the paradox is whatever you/I do as an > " individual " will inevitably be rooted in the ego Yes, whether you do something or do nothing. > >--is the awareness watching awareness similar to >the > vichara of Ramana? [2] > > Is a Ramana/any guru the solution? Whatever a Ramana > could provide could but be in phenomenality. > Does your comprehension/practice in anyway lead you > anywhere? It is a sequence of perceived phenomenal events. What else could it be, if it is being discussed? > You do whateever you do because you believe in > causality? Is there something called causality, > though? Only as a linkage for perceived continuity in temporally defined sequences. Continuity of an " I " center, as well as for the sequence of behavior and consequence, which is always around an observer. > Do you have the courage to stand for absolutely > nothing (including the seeeking)? Ouch! > >can someone just get N's teaching without >rigorous > practice for ages and for hours per day? >[3] -as I > assume you didn't have time for yet > I assure you, everything that N/the Buddha/the Bible > or any peanut-butter master ever wrote is bigtime > BULLSHIT! Phenomenal occurrence, taken as relevant by observer of phenomena. Which observer must likewise be phenomenal, otherwise how would experience register? > Yoiu would have to take that on faith. You would have to take that using the same faith which would lead you to take N/the B/the J-man as saying something true about reality -- or not! > So is imbibing N's teachings really the answer? > You've obviously done lotsa reading? Where has it > taken you? To knowing what I've read. To thinking there must be some way to apply what I've read, so as to realize Something Important. > Kindly inquire honestly within,see the > ridiculousness of " everything " ( including the > seeking, I re-iterate) that you call life ! That is > the profoundest maturity. Yes, it hurts to give up one's own life as ever having been, nor ever having been one's own. Yet " right now " it doesn't hurt. > Venerable namastes from a brash youngster, Unsought namastes from a misbegotten miscreant, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Dear Dan, I dont like agreeing with you (even in cases like these when I couldn't possibly disagree) simply coz it brings beautiful exchanges to an unnecessary end.(beginnings /ends are only in causality , after all) :-) Commenting just as an statement of resonation ... > Two different apparatus exposed to different experiences in different points of space/time . Will they ever match resonant frequencies? :-) >True, very true. >This " mind of comparison " is taken as > the bedrock of reality in social consensus terms. >That is, comparing Joe with Sam for their > similarities and differences, I decide who > to hire, who to fire, who to retire, and > in times of war, who is friend or foe. > Although " pseudo " this mind of comparison > becomes the basis for deadly serious behaviors, > and is the basis of education beginning at > a very early age (who is smart or stupid, who > moves ahead, who gets left behind, who is >attractive, who is good or bad, etc., etc., etc.) ... >Talk about building up a heavy (albeit fictional) >weight. ABsolutely true. Duality/comparison/ social neuorses is an inevitable fall-out. The root of the problem is that of misidentification of YOU with the " individual " who uses the " mind " (personal ownership). >Only as a linkage for perceived continuity > in temporally defined sequences. Continuity > of an " I " center, as well as for the sequence > of behavior and consequence, which is always around an observer. Yes, and it is always the mind that attaches coherence to temporally disjoint sets of perception , thus-rendering thought-processes/ rationality. > Do you have the courage to stand for absolutely > nothing (including the seeeking)? Ouch! It hurts Dan/Anand , the make-believe personalities. But THAT ( that which calls itself Dan) is THAT, unstained by Dan's/Anand's equally-make-believe " ouches " . The misidentification/resistance/problems is always for the mind. >Phenomenal occurrence, taken as relevant by > observer of phenomena. Which observer must > likewise be phenomenal, otherwise how would > experience register? Hence profoundest maturity is total immaturity, where there is spontaneous perception without accumulation of experience . >You would have to take that using the same faith > which would lead you to take N/the B/the J-man > as saying something true about reality -- > or not! FYI till I met a fellow-seeker who set me on the " Path " (though now I realize that there is nothing called the PAth which would again have to be causally related to the " Goal " : nirvana ), I was a confirmed atheist. :-) >To knowing what I've read. >To thinking there must be some way > to apply what I've read, so as to realize > Something Important. Causality again! That's the problem with having a mind. Sometimes, I wish I were born brain-dead!:-) Arghhhh. >Yes, it hurts to give up one's own life > as ever having been, nor ever > having been one's own. >Yet " right now " it doesn't hurt. Yes, and even if it did, it would but hurt Dan(who is really not) Daffodil-Namastes , --- Anand. ______________________ Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! visit http://in.autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > Dear beatnik granpa K (well , almost) , > > > you could be my grandson! (almost) I >think age > matters I'm getting stupider by the >minute > > Now, isn't that realization the beginning of > profoundest wisdom? :-) > > > besides I fried my brains on clearlight >acid back > in my beatnik eighties, but that was >the first time I > got in touch of " BEiNG MYSELF " >awareness and the > cosmos. > >or was it with my ego? --what do you think did >you > hear about any similarities? [1] > > If we have to get into question of similarities, we'd > essensially be talking in duality about subjective > experiences in a pseudo-lifetimes extended through > time-space by fictional entities that we wrongly > misidentify as individuals. > > What you call the " real " yourself is even closer to > yourself than (what you mispercieve as) " you " . Hence > the traditional approach is that of > apperception/negation. > And the paradox is whatever you/I do as an > " individual " will inevitably be rooted in the ego > > > > >--is the awareness watching awareness similar to >the > vichara of Ramana? [2] > > Is a Ramana/any guru the solution? Whatever a Ramana > could provide could but be in phenomenality. > Does your comprehension/practice in anyway lead you > anywhere? > > You do whateever you do because you believe in > causality? Is there something called causality, > though? > > Do you have the courage to stand for absolutely > nothing (including the seeeking)? > > > >can someone just get N's teaching without >rigorous > practice for ages and for hours per day? >[3] -as I > assume you didn't have time for yet > I assure you, everything that N/the Buddha/the Bible > or any peanut-butter master ever wrote is bigtime > BULLSHIT! > > Yoiu would have to take that on faith. > > So is imbibing N's teachings really the answer? > You've obviously done lotsa reading? Where has it > taken you? > > Kindly inquire honestly within,see the > ridiculousness of " everything " ( including the > seeking, I re-iterate) that you call life ! That is > the profoundest maturity. > > Venerable namastes from a brash youngster, > ---- > Anand > > > > " I assure you, everything that N/the Buddha/the Bible or any peanut-butter master ever wrote is bigtime BULLSHIT! " For an example of " Brashness " my model is the wannabe young artist, Hitler...(call that one a miscreant) Yes, so Viva la Revolucion, down with Conceptualizations. If I recall Mao considered the Poets and Philistines dullards and the religious folks, well, simply braindead. Thus the Cultural Revolution. Some have to die, but hey, Death (my friend) is an Illusion. While Life is an Illusion, the " enlightenment project " can be for the cultivation in the Human Genome of Altruisim (and all that jive). While Hitler was not Enlightened (then again?), are his " negativities " here paraded as Nothings. Or, are we saying that All that Bodhivattsa bullshit is only the flip-side of the Hitler nonsense. Unabashedly Gandhian, d_agenda > > > > > ____________________ __ > Want to sell your car? advertise on Autos Classifieds. It's Free!! > visit http://in.autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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