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quoting from " The Tao of Chaos "

 

" Years ago while in India, I worked with my teacher, Nisargadatta

Maharaj. One day a psychiatrist and wife came and asked him this very

long question about good actions, bad actions, past lives, future

lives, etc. He responed, " Who told you that you exist? " When no

answer came from the two questioners he said,

" Consciousness tells you that you exist, and you believe it, if you

understand just this, it is enough. "

 

" What he was saying was that each knower and the knowing it has, is

the same consciousness knowing itself. Consciousness tells you there

is a subject called a knower and an object called a known. More

simply put, a stable subject observer that sees " the inconsiderate

partner is late. " Consciousness gives the illusion that the knower

of " inconsiderate partner " and the knowledge called " inconsiderate

partner " are different. Actually consciousness is both the knower and

the knowledge. Trauma occurs when the knower resists its own

disappearance by imagining it (the knower) and the known are made of

different substances--not the same consciousness. Stated another way,

if the knower understands that it and the knowing are the same

consciousness, then the knower and the known (I-dentity) disappear,

because there can only be a knower and an I-dentity as long as there

is a subject/object relationship or contrasts.

[Guest guest]

Is this "The Tao of Chaos" by Stephen Wolinsky, or by Katya Walter?

Clive

 

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d_agenda2000

Nisargadatta

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:08 AM

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quoting from "The Tao of Chaos""Years ago while in India, I worked with my teacher, Nisargadatta Maharaj. One day a psychiatrist and wife came and asked him this very long question about good actions, bad actions, past lives, future lives, etc. He responed, "Who told you that you exist?" When no answer came from the two questioners he said,"Consciousness tells you that you exist, and you believe it, if you understand just this, it is enough.""What he was saying was that each knower and the knowing it has, is the same consciousness knowing itself. Consciousness tells you there is a subject called a knower and an object called a known. More simply put, a stable subject observer that sees "the inconsiderate partner is late." Consciousness gives the illusion that the knower of "inconsiderate partner" and the knowledge called "inconsiderate partner" are different. Actually consciousness is both the knower and the knowledge. Trauma occurs when the knower resists its own disappearance by imagining it (the knower) and the known are made of different substances--not the same consciousness. Stated another way, if the knower understands that it and the knowing are the same consciousness, then the knower and the known (I-dentity) disappear, because there can only be a knower and an I-dentity as long as there is a subject/object relationship or contrasts.