Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 hold on Gentlemen! It gets so complicated!! Things, thoughts, conditions, bodies change constantly! Consciousness also changes constantly (3 or 4 times during 24hours: deep sleep, dream state, lucid dreaming, waking consciousness) Awareness?!? Does it change?! What when we are in deep sleep? Is there awareness?? Would it be important to learn lucid dreaming, as to watch as much as possible what is going on?! Increasing consciousness?!? Taking LSD to speed up the process...? cheers fox - " dan330033 " <dan330033 <Nisargadatta > Monday, August 05, 2002 5:56 PM Re: many of you are not so realistic? > Hi Pete, > > > Love to talk to you, man, you know, > > Fine with me, too ... > > > even pain and > > suffering will be conquered some day by science. > > This is a personal fantasy about a conquest > of something deemed expendable and undesirable > by the person. > > > Chemistry is the magic kit. We are a dance of > > chemicals > > and chemists are the dance masters. > > One day, not to > > far in the future there will be a happiness pill. No > > more suffering or pain. > > Keep hoping for that magic future. > A great way to avoid what the present actually is. > > > > > If you think annica (impermanency) doesn't apply to > > your beliefs, > > your dogmas, your religion, think again. > > Do you think that it's a matter of thinking? > > > If you think > > there is an insight, a mental state, a vision of > > reality, a realization that is permanent, think again. > > Only change is permanent, and only going with its flow > > is liberation. > > Who is supposedly to be liberated by this approach? > > What is apart from the flow, that can go with > it or against it? > > > And if you think this is wrong view, that will change > > too. > > If you think you have presented > a view, that, too, will change :-) > > > Happy bouncing along, > > Yup. > > Row, row, row your boat > Gently down the stream. > > Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, > Life is but a dream. > > -- Dan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 .....It gets so complicated!! .....Things, thoughts, conditions, bodies change constantly! Fox -------- You(consciousness) is not " complicated " . You(consciousness) is the SEE-ER of " SPIN CITY " (content of consciousness) Stay with the SEE-ER. El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Hi Fox, > hold on Gentlemen! > > It gets so complicated!! Compared with what? > Things, thoughts, conditions, bodies change constantly! Only once you've defined them. You define what changes in your perspective, relative to what doesn't change, also in your perspective. > > Consciousness also changes constantly (3 or 4 times during 24hours: > deep sleep, dream state, lucid dreaming, waking consciousness) Only once you've defined it. Who are you, prior to providing a definition of yourself and other things? Prior to deciding there are things you perceive which change, and that which doesn't. > > Awareness?!? Does it change?! What when we are in deep sleep? Is there > awareness?? It depends on how you define " awareness " and your perception of what it is and isn't. > Would it be important to learn lucid dreaming, as to watch as much as > possible what > is going on?! Important for whom, to gain what? >Increasing consciousness?!? So, there's a finite amount of consciousness, which can be increased and decreased? And thus, there is a beginning and an ending to it? If consciousness has a beginning, then what is there prior to its beginning? > Taking LSD to speed up the process...? Where are you trying to get to? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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