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from: An Interview with Ramesh Balsekar

by Anne and Darrell Newberg

 

Q: Is holding on to the sense of 'I amness' according to Maharaj similar to

the Self-inquiry of Ramana Maharshi? Are both a means of transcending the

mental or known?

 

RB: Holding on to the sense of 'I amness' means letting go of the 'me'.

 

Q: Is it the same as Ramana Maharshi's Self-inquiry?

 

RB: Ramana Maharshi's teaching is still a process, a process which says,

" Find who wants to know " . And in his book he says, " If you try to find out

the nature of the mind, the mind will disappear " . He made it perfectly

clear, " Who am I? " - then that which is asking the question will disappear.

He calls it atma vichara (Self-inquiry). He makes it perfectly clear that

it is not a mantra to be repeated.

 

Q: So the holding on to 'I amness' does not lead you to the same place?

 

RB: No. By holding on to the 'I amness' gives you the impression that it

will lead you somewhere. What I am saying is that there is no 'you' to hold

on to the 'I amness'. So, only when the 'you' disappears ...

 

Q: Which is Self-inquiry, and which makes the 'you' disappear.

 

RB: Yes, then you are already in the 'I am'. In life, either you are 'I am'

or you are 'I am Anne'. So when 'Anne' is not present, in those moments

what exists is 'I am'. So the 'I am' and the 'I am Anne' keeps on

alternating, you see. 'Anne' is absent in deep sleep, but 'I am' is

present. So, whenever 'Anne' is absent, then 'I am' is present.

 

Q: And 'I am' cannot be held onto.

 

RB: Who is to hold on to 'I am'? That can only happen if it is the destiny

of that body-mind organism and the will of God.

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