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Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> Nisargadatta, " atagrasin " <k1c2@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > >There is no one there to get enlightened by them.>

> > > > Who is this " no one " ?

> > >

> > > A meaningless question.

> > For a meaningless statement

>

> Okay then, Atagrasin.

>

 

> Say something really

meaningful.

Hi Dan:Under close scrutiny even the most rationally constructed

positions and systems are demonstrably incoherent and irrational. Any

of this four alternatives " is " , " is not " , " both is and isn't " , " neither

is nor isn't " , can be demonstrated to be invalid and inadequate.All

thinking presupposes the categories 'identity' and 'difference,' but

these categories are incoherent and have no referent.Language does

not refer to things, but is self-referential. The deep-seated,

driving propensity to create the illusion of conceptual order through

asking for example " Say something really meaningful " inply a clinging

to cognitive positions and presuppositions.

Atagrasin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta, " atagrasin " <k1c2@h...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta, " atagrasin " <k1c2@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >There is no one there to get enlightened by them.>

> > > > > Who is this " no one " ?

> > > >

> > > > A meaningless question.

> > > For a meaningless statement

> >

> > Okay then, Atagrasin.

> >

>

 

> > Say something really

>

meaningful.

> Hi Dan:Under close scrutiny even the most rationally constructed

> positions and systems are demonstrably incoherent and irrational.

Any

> of this four alternatives " is " , " is not " , " both is and

isn't " , " neither

> is nor isn't " , can be demonstrated to be invalid and inadequate.All

> thinking presupposes the categories 'identity' and 'difference,'

but

> these categories are incoherent and have no referent.Language does

> not refer to things, but is self-referential. The deep-seated,

> driving propensity to create the illusion of conceptual order

through

> asking for example " Say something really meaningful " inply a

clinging

> to cognitive positions and

presuppositions.

> Atagrasin.

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That was too meaningful, not really meaningful :-)

 

I guess it's up to me, then, to say something

really meaningful.

 

I'm at the end of my message now :-)

 

Dan

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Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> Nisargadatta, " atagrasin " <k1c2@h...> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta, " atagrasin " <k1c2@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >There is no one there to get enlightened by them.>

> > > > > > Who is this " no one " ?

> > > > >

> > > > > A meaningless question.

> > > > For a meaningless statement

> > >

> > > Okay then, Atagrasin.

> > >

>

>

>

> > > Say something really

> >

>

meaningful.

> > Hi Dan:Under close scrutiny even the most rationally constructed

> > positions and systems are demonstrably incoherent and irrational.

> Any

> > of this four alternatives " is " , " is not " , " both is and

> isn't " , " neither

> > is nor isn't " , can be demonstrated to be invalid and

inadequate.All

> > thinking presupposes the categories 'identity' and 'difference,'

> but

> > these categories are incoherent and have no referent.Language

does

> > not refer to things, but is self-referential. The deep-seated,

> > driving propensity to create the illusion of conceptual order

> through

> > asking for example " Say something really meaningful " inply a

> clinging

> > to cognitive positions and

> presuppositions.

> > Atagrasin.

> .

>

> That was too meaningful, not really meaningful :-)

Yes I " really " agree

> I guess it's up to me, then, to say something

> really meaningful.

Let see, I'm still learning

> I'm at the end of my message now :-)

A good " zen like " answer but seems to intellectual [tautology].

Atagrasin

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Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

 

> I guess it's up to me, then, to say something really meaningful.

 

I'm at the end of my message now :-)

 

 

 

I never knew of these philosophical conundrums and controversies

and problems until I came to Tiruvannamalai and people began

to pester me. Up till then I had never concerned myself with them.

I never knew any system of phylosophy. All these systems

have evolved out of the one simple fact of realization. Therefore ,

seek realization, practice vichara , and do not worry about

philosophies and systems and problems.

 

Ramana Maharshi

 

from Conscious Immortality