Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 What is meant by "total subjectivity without a trace of objectivity"? Thanks, scrap - Jan Sultan UltimateAdvaita Monday, August 26, 2002 6:37 PM The Mind and Understanding [Reply to someone [i think on guru ratings] who insisted that the words of sages [alone] cannot push you towards Self Realization]People say the mind cannot solve anything. They say words cannot get you enlightenment! So how do you arrive at dispassion, surrender, acceptance, understanding, faith, effort, self-inquiry etc.?I use my mind, what do you use?It is the mind which in the first place created this division and separation. And it is the mind itself through understanding and acceptance/surrender can make you whole again.JanUltimateAdvaita---------- -----------Here are a few quotes saying something similar:"The MIND turned outwards, results in thoughts and objects.Turned inwards, it becomes itself the SELF."- Ramana"The intellect divides everything between what it considers pleasant(acceptable) and unpleasant (unacceptable) and then opposes anything itdeems unacceptable as a "problem" that needs solving! Thus, any problem can only be solved at its source, which is the intellect that conceived the problem as a problem in the first place."- Balsekar.Because it has been man's conditioning that it is only effort which couldbring him anything in life, it is extremely difficult for an ordinary man tograsp the fact that nothing more than a deep understanding of one's truenature is necessary for the total transformation of awakening to take place.- BalsekarExperience, however sublime, is not the real thing. By its very nature it comes and goes. Self-realization is not an acquisition. It is more of the nature of understanding. Once arrived at, it cannot be lost.- NisargadattaBreak the bonds of memory and self-identification and the shell [of the person] will break by itself. There is a centre that imparts reality to whatever it perceives. All you need is to UNDERSTAND that you are the source of reality, that you give reality instead of getting it, that you need no support and no confirmation. Things are as they are because you accept them as they are. Stop accepting them and they will dissolve. Whatever you think about with desire or fear appears before you as real. Look at it without desire or fear and it does lose substance. Pleasure and pain are momentary. It is simpler and easier to disregard them than to act on them.- Nisargadatta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 The closest that you and I are to the state of " total subjectivity without a trace of objectivity " is when we are in deep sleep state. There are no objects for consciousness in that state. The other instances are between two thoughts, or whenever an intense desire is attained. Raj. Nisargadatta, " SCRAPPER " <scrapper@h...> wrote: > What is meant by " total subjectivity without a trace of objectivity " ? > > Thanks, > > scrap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 Nisargadatta, " rajkumarknair " <rajkumarknair> wrote: The closest that you and I are to the state of " total subjectivity without a trace of objectivity " is when we are in deep sleep state. There are no objects for consciousness in that state. The other instances are between two thoughts, or whenever an intense desire is attained. ))) one might also characterize apperception in such terms. Namaste, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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