Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 Pete! I am 29... Can you elaborate a bit on your 'enlightenment-experience', what it triggered? And especially how was your situation before? thanks! fox - " pete seesaw " <seesaw1us <Nisargadatta > Monday, September 02, 2002 8:10 PM Re: Tao was lonely, its fragments are still lonely...??? > > Why isn't it that the average human life is 50% > > pain, but also 50% pleasure ?!?! (A fair amount of > > Yin for everybody, > > and a equally fair amount of Yang for everybody!) > > > > >From my experience, there is definitively MUCH MORE > > PAIN than pleasure for EVERYBODY ! > > (At least 90% pain for the average human being) > > > > HOW COMES??? > > Pete: Now, fox, you realize you are projecting your > present condition to the rest of life. I'm 99% happy. > Of course > I have been miserable and lonely for long periods in > the past. That's why I became a seeker. I was lucky > I found happiness by getting rid of my crappy self. > Unhappiness is always self inflicted. > > > > > And 2nd: My particular issue is extreme loneliness. > > Loneliness is self inflicted too. A vicious circle: > You don't like yourself, so you don't like others and > others don't like you. See through the demands you put > on yourself, others and life in general. Just witness > your life without expectations. > > > > If the Tao / Brahman / God / Consciousness felt so > > lonely as to feel the inevitable urge to divide > > itself into > > the ten-thousand things, just to play its damn > > lila-game (which causes 90% pain, 10% pleasure), > > with the goal to forget its extreme lonliness, then, > > yes then it MISERABLY FAILED. > > > > Why? > > > > I, as a very tiny fragment of the whole, feel STILL > > LONELY like buried alive in Höllloch > > (Hell's Hole : 2nd biggest cave of the world, > > located in the middle of Switzerland...!) > > What you don't like mountains? Move to Hawaii, you're > always saying aloha and you live in Switzerland. > > How old are you? You like whining uh? It can be fun! > Don't overdo it,though. One can get very attached to > it, and then one is always looking for reasons to be > miserable, so one can whine some more. > > > > > > ...I bet I missed something important in this crazy > > Advaita-Adventure... > Yeah, you did. Keep trying. > > Best of luck, > > Pete > > > > fox, > > the Duality-Dancer.... > > www.feel.ch > > > > (by the way, how can I receive your emails, with the > > background I send it out with. (White backgrounds > > are snowblinding me!)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- ------ > > > > > -------- ------ > > > > > > - > > el_wells_2002 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, September 02, 2002 12:21 PM > > Re: suffering will never > > end? > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " fox " <feel@f...> wrote: > > > The dream will go on without and end...??!! > > > > > > THIS SURELY SEEMS TO BE AN NIGHTMARE!!! > > > > > > > > > and the 2nd problem: there are much more > > nightmares than > > pleasurable dreams... :-( > > > > > > fox > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > Your night dream is not real. > > > > Imagaination. > > > > A grand illusion. > > > > Even though in the dream you take it to be real. > > A heaven on earth or a hell on earth. > > > > But since it is not real, it never really began in > > the first place. > > So it is beginning-less. > > > > And of course, what never happened in the first > > place > > is also end-less. > > > > So too with your waking " dream " state. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 Pete, did not get enlightened. Pete is gone. This brain remembers Pete and sometimes acts and thinks like Pete, but this brain doesn't have to follow Pete's stupid agenda any longer. Doesn't have to spend all that energy defending and recreating Pete. Without Pete there is only unity, freedom and spontaneity. Without Pete there is happiness because there is no one to demand things happen his way. Pain still happens, losses still happen, but there are no fears or worries. My situation before Pete was seen as not-existing was exactly like yours, constant dissatisfaction. Dump all your demands on life. Just witness your life. That's the one-way ticket from hell to heaven. Best of luck, Pete --- fox <feel wrote: > Pete! > > I am 29... > > Can you elaborate a bit on your > 'enlightenment-experience', what it > triggered? > > And especially how was your situation before? > > > thanks! > fox > > > > - > " pete seesaw " <seesaw1us > <Nisargadatta > > Monday, September 02, 2002 8:10 PM > Re: Tao was lonely, its > fragments are still > lonely...??? > > > > > Why isn't it that the average human life is 50% > > > pain, but also 50% pleasure ?!?! (A fair amount > of > > > Yin for everybody, > > > and a equally fair amount of Yang for > everybody!) > > > > > > >From my experience, there is definitively MUCH > MORE > > > PAIN than pleasure for EVERYBODY ! > > > (At least 90% pain for the average human being) > > > > > > HOW COMES??? > > > > Pete: Now, fox, you realize you are projecting > your > > present condition to the rest of life. I'm 99% > happy. > > Of course > > I have been miserable and lonely for long periods > in > > the past. That's why I became a seeker. I was > lucky > > I found happiness by getting rid of my crappy > self. > > Unhappiness is always self inflicted. > > > > > > > > > And 2nd: My particular issue is extreme > loneliness. > > > > Loneliness is self inflicted too. A vicious > circle: > > You don't like yourself, so you don't like others > and > > others don't like you. See through the demands you > put > > on yourself, others and life in general. Just > witness > > your life without expectations. > > > > > > If the Tao / Brahman / God / Consciousness felt > so > > > lonely as to feel the inevitable urge to divide > > > itself into > > > the ten-thousand things, just to play its damn > > > lila-game (which causes 90% pain, 10% pleasure), > > > with the goal to forget its extreme lonliness, > then, > > > yes then it MISERABLY FAILED. > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > I, as a very tiny fragment of the whole, feel > STILL > > > LONELY like buried alive in Höllloch > > > (Hell's Hole : 2nd biggest cave of the world, > > > located in the middle of Switzerland...!) > > > > What you don't like mountains? Move to Hawaii, > you're > > always saying aloha and you live in Switzerland. > > > > How old are you? You like whining uh? It can be > fun! > > Don't overdo it,though. One can get very attached > to > > it, and then one is always looking for reasons to > be > > miserable, so one can whine some more. > > > > > > > > > > ...I bet I missed something important in this > crazy > > > Advaita-Adventure... > > Yeah, you did. Keep trying. > > > > Best of luck, > > > > Pete > > > > > > > fox, > > > the Duality-Dancer.... > > > www.feel.ch > > > > > > (by the way, how can I receive your emails, with > the > > > background I send it out with. (White > backgrounds > > > are snowblinding me!)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > -------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > - > > > el_wells_2002 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, September 02, 2002 12:21 PM > > > Re: suffering will > never > > > end? > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " fox " <feel@f...> > wrote: > > > > The dream will go on without and end...??!! > > > > > > > > THIS SURELY SEEMS TO BE AN NIGHTMARE!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 2nd problem: there are much more > > > nightmares than > > > pleasurable dreams... :-( > > > > > > > > fox > > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Your night dream is not real. > > > > > > Imagaination. > > > > > > A grand illusion. > > > > > > Even though in the dream you take it to be > real. > > > A heaven on earth or a hell on earth. > > > > > > But since it is not real, it never really > began in > > > the first place. > > > So it is beginning-less. > > > > > > And of course, what never happened in the > first > > > place > > > is also end-less. > > > > > > So too with your waking " dream " state. > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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