Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Ego is the movement of the mind toward objects of perception, in the form of grasping; and, away from objects, in the form of aversion. This fundamentally is all the ego is. This movement of grasping and aversion gives rise to a sense of a separate " me, " and in turn the sense of " me " strengthens itself this way. It is this continuous loop of causation that tricks consciousness into a trance of identification. Identification with what? Identification with the continuous loop of suffering. After all, who is suffering? The " me " is suffering. And " who " is this me? It is nothing more than a sense of self caused byidentification with grasping and aversion. You see, it's all a creation of the mind, an endless movie, a terrible dream. Don't try to change the dream, because trying to change it is just another movement in the dream. Look at the dream. Be aware of the dream. That awareness is It. Become more interested in the awareness of the dream than in the dream itself. What is that awareness? Who is that awareness? Don't go spouting out an answer, just be the answer. Be It. ~ Adyashanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Hi B, this has the ring of Nike's "Just Do It"...of course Ego has a mind of it's own (maybe it's own hairdresser too). Having been around for 20, 30 or more years, it wants to have a say regarding the direction it will be let in... Perhaps, in this regard, the Heart can direct the Ego in the least threatening fashion: it says "Look here Ego, on the other side is Unity and Joy" cornelius __________Message: 14Sat, 07 Sep 2002 02:18:19 -0000"hrtbeat7" EgoEgo is the movement of the mind toward objects of perception, in the form of grasping; and, away from objects, in the form of aversion. This fundamentally is all the ego is. This movement of grasping and aversion gives rise to a sense of a separate "me," and in turn the sense of "me" strengthens itself this way. It is this continuous loop of causation that tricks consciousness into a trance of identification. Identification with what? Identification with the continuous loop of suffering. After all, who is suffering? The "me" is suffering. And "who" is this me? It is nothing more than a sense of self caused byidentification with grasping and aversion. You see, it's all a creation of the mind, an endless movie, a terrible dream. Don't try to change the dream, because trying to change it is just another movement in the dream. Look at the dream. Be aware of the dream. That awareness is It. Become more interested in the awareness of the dream than in the dream itself. What is that awareness? Who is that awareness? Don't go spouting out an answer, just be the answer. Be It.~ Adyashanti__________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Nisargadatta, cornelius <d_agenda2000> wrote: >Perhaps, in this regard, the Heart can direct the Ego in the least threatening fashion: it says " Look here Ego, on the other side is Unity and Joy " ))) It is such a living, laughing paradox – there appears to be some person talking, but there is nobody talking, there is only this talking, this starlight, this infinite room, the murmuring brook with no banks, a single beam of clear white light traveling on through endlessness, once mistaken for some identity, a simple shift in perception, yes, really such a simplicity it has always been, this murmuring, and that in which this murmur streams, what seemed a life, a personality, the play continues, but with no implication of any actual person, any actor or actors, any actual thing, any center, anything but just this single flowing sentence, this singing, only singing, praising without any singer, with nothing to praise – Oh, we can say the Great One, but still nobody is speaking, nobody is hearing, there is only speaking, hearing, as if the Great one is this speaking, listening, as if somebody is speaking, somebody is hearing, but that is only like some way to say this thing that can't be said by anybody, the very one who seems to be somebody, the living laughing paradox of this Mystery, this vastness singing, singing. That this free luminosity should resume in the midst of our lovemaking is really not surprising after all. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Nisargadatta, " hrtbeat7 " <hrtbeat7> wrote: > Ego is the movement of the mind toward objects of perception, > in the form of grasping; and, away from objects, in the form of > aversion. This fundamentally is all the ego is. This movement of > grasping and aversion gives rise to a sense of a separate " me, " and > in turn the sense of " me " strengthens itself this way. It is this > continuous loop of causation that tricks consciousness into a trance > of identification. Identification with what? Identification with the > continuous loop of suffering. After all, who is suffering? The " me " > is suffering. > And " who " is this me? It is nothing more than a sense of self caused > byidentification with grasping and aversion. You see, it's all a > creation of the mind, an endless movie, a terrible dream. Don't try > to change the dream, because trying to change it is just another > movement in the dream. Look at the dream. Be aware of the dream. That > awareness is It. Become more interested in the awareness of the dream > than in the dream itself. What is that awareness? Who is that > awareness? Don't go spouting out an answer, just be the answer. > Be It. > > > ~ Adyashanti -------------------- This is so. The insanity loop. The " me " . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Nisargadatta, " el_wells_2002 " <elizabethwells@m...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " hrtbeat7 " <hrtbeat7> wrote: > > Ego is the movement of the mind toward objects of perception, > > in the form of grasping; and, away from objects, in the form of > > aversion. This fundamentally is all the ego is. This movement > of > > grasping and aversion gives rise to a sense of a separate > " me, " and > > in turn the sense of " me " strengthens itself this way. It is this > > continuous loop of causation that tricks consciousness into a > trance > > of identification. Identification with what? Identification with the > > continuous loop of suffering. After all, who is suffering? The > " me " > > is suffering. > > And " who " is this me? It is nothing more than a sense of self > caused > > byidentification with grasping and aversion. You see, it's all a > > creation of the mind, an endless movie, a terrible dream. Don't > try > > to change the dream, because trying to change it is just > another > > movement in the dream. Look at the dream. Be aware of the > dream. That > > awareness is It. Become more interested in the awareness of > the dream > > than in the dream itself. What is that awareness? Who is that > > awareness? Don't go spouting out an answer, just be the > answer. > > Be It. > > > > > > ~ Adyashanti > > -------------------- > > This is so. > > The insanity loop. > > The " me " . > > > . Without this " movement " consciousness is not conscious of being conscious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Nisargadatta, " el_wells_2002 " <elizabethwells@m...> wrote: >Without this " movement " consciousness is not conscious of being conscious. ))) Consciousness moves, Awareness does not. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 > >Without this " movement " consciousness is not conscious > of being conscious. > El ---------------- > ))) Consciousness moves, > Awareness does not. > > > LoveAlways, > > b ---------------- In my original state I am, but I do not know I am. So says SNM. And El concurrs. Word it however it pleases you. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 hrtbeat7 wrote: ))) It is such a living, laughing paradox –there appears to be some person talking,but there is nobody talking,there is only this talking, And so it would follow that there is no Persons dying, cancering out in that hospital, there is dying, there is killing, there is weeping no persons are there whatever sympathies felt by me is an attack on my illusory self to feel pain and sorrow is unnecessary....... there are voices , there is hearing and talking and writing and crying no persons are splattered on earth on That level, nothing is Happening your brother, cornelius Nisargadatta, cornelius <d_agenda2000> wrote:>Perhaps, in this regard, the Heart can direct the Ego in the least threatening fashion: it says "Look here Ego, on the other side is Unity and Joy"))) It is such a living, laughing paradox –there appears to be some person talking,but there is nobody talking,there is only this talking,this starlight,this infinite room,the murmuring brook with no banks,a single beam of clear white lighttraveling on through endlessness,once mistaken for some identity,a simple shift in perception,yes, really such a simplicityit has always been, this murmuring,and that in which this murmur streams,what seemed a life, a personality, the playcontinues, but with no implication ofany actual person, any actor or actors, anyactual thing, any center, anything but just this singleflowing sentence, this singing, only singing, praisingwithout any singer, with nothing to praise –Oh, we can say the Great One, but still nobody is speaking, nobody is hearing,there is only speaking, hearing, as ifthe Great one is this speaking, listening,as if somebody is speaking, somebody is hearing, butthat is only like some way to say this thing that can't be saidby anybody, the very one whoseems to be somebody, the livinglaughing paradox of this Mystery,this vastness singing, singing.That this free luminosity should resume in the midst of our lovemaking is really not surprising after all.LoveAlways,b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 " .....there is dying, there is killing, there is weeping,,,,, .....no persons are there...... " (signed: who ever wrote this, I can't tell) -------------- Those words are loaded for bear! Take away the words(concepts), and there are no persons there. El -------------- Nisargadatta, cornelius <d_agenda2000> wrote: > > > hrtbeat7 > > wrote: > > > > ))) It is such a living, laughing paradox – > there appears to be some person talking, > but there is nobody talking, > there is only this talking, > > > And so it would follow that there is no Persons dying, cancering out in that hospital, > > there is dying, there is killing, there is weeping > > no persons are there > > whatever sympathies felt by me is an attack on my illusory self to feel pain and sorrow is unnecessary....... > > there are voices , there is hearing and talking and writing and crying > > no persons are splattered on earth > > on That level, nothing is Happening > > your brother, > > cornelius > Nisargadatta, cornelius <d_agenda2000> wrote: > > >Perhaps, in this regard, the Heart can direct the Ego in the least > threatening fashion: it says " Look here Ego, on the other side is > Unity and Joy " > > > ))) It is such a living, laughing paradox – > there appears to be some person talking, > but there is nobody talking, > there is only this talking, > this starlight, > this infinite room, > the murmuring brook with no banks, > a single beam of clear white light > traveling on through endlessness, > once mistaken for some identity, > a simple shift in perception, > yes, really such a simplicity > it has always been, this murmuring, > and that in which this murmur streams, > what seemed a life, a personality, the play > continues, but with no implication of > any actual person, any actor or actors, any > actual thing, any center, anything but just this single > flowing sentence, this singing, only singing, praising > without any singer, with nothing to praise – > Oh, we can say the Great One, but still > nobody is speaking, nobody is hearing, > there is only speaking, hearing, as if > the Great one is this speaking, listening, > as if somebody is speaking, > somebody is hearing, but > that is only like some way to > say this thing that can't be said > by anybody, the very one who > seems to be somebody, the living > laughing paradox of this Mystery, > this vastness singing, singing. > > That this free luminosity should resume > in the midst of our lovemaking > is really not surprising > after all. > > > LoveAlways, > > b > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Nisargadatta, cornelius <d_agenda2000> wrote: And so it would follow that there is no Persons dying, cancering out in that hospital, there is dying, there is killing, there is weeping no persons are there whatever sympathies felt by me is an attack on my illusory self to feel pain and sorrow is unnecessary....... there are voices , there is hearing and talking and writing and crying no persons are splattered on earth on That level, nothing is Happening ))) Form is empty. Emptiness is form. The activity of form is not other than emptiness, nor is the action of emptiness other than form. It's the same with feeling, knowing, conception, and consciousness. Dear One, in this way all dharmas are empty, without any qualification, not existing, not ceasing, without bondage or liberation from bondage, undiminished, limitless. Dear One, in this way, in emptiness there is no form, no feeling, no knowing, no conception, no consciousness. There is no eye, no ear, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind, no shape, no sound, no color, no flavor, no feeling, no space. There is no center of vision, no center of mind, no center to reference interpretation of perception. No ignorance, no transition from ignorance to the end of ignorance, no aging and death, no end of aging and death. It's the same for suffering, misery sin, nivana. There is no path, no wisdom, no enlightenment, no non-enlightenment. Dear One, in this way all buddhas -- realizing nothing, anchored in the Heart -- are clear, fearless. They are not the one confused, they are not the one suffering. They are Free. There's a saying: " Gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi swaha. " This is how the Compassionate One -- Beloved -- whispers from the Heart. ~ Prajnaparamita Sutra LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Thanks B, this is very beautiful, indeed cosmic, poetry............. " live simply, so others may simply live " (paraphrase) M.Gandhi (for you poet-warriors of nondualism, consider the emphasis on " others " ) cornelius Nisargadatta, " hrtbeat7 " <hrtbeat7> wrote: > Nisargadatta, cornelius <d_agenda2000> wrote: > > And so it would follow that there is no Persons dying, cancering out > in that hospital, > > there is dying, there is killing, there is weeping > > no persons are there > > whatever sympathies felt by me is an attack on my illusory self to > feel pain and sorrow is unnecessary....... > > there are voices , there is hearing and talking and writing and > crying > > no persons are splattered on earth > > on That level, nothing is Happening > > > ))) Form is empty. > Emptiness is form. > > The activity of form is not > other than emptiness, > nor is the action of emptiness > other than form. > > It's the same with feeling, > knowing, conception, and > consciousness. > > Dear One, in this way > all dharmas are empty, > without any qualification, > not existing, > not ceasing, > without bondage or > liberation from bondage, > undiminished, > limitless. > > Dear One, in this way, > in emptiness > there is no form, > no feeling, > no knowing, > no conception, > no consciousness. > > There is > no eye, > no ear, > no nose, > no tongue, > no body, > no mind, > no shape, > no sound, > no color, > no flavor, > no feeling, > no space. > > There is no > center of vision, > no center of mind, > no center to reference > interpretation of perception. > > No ignorance, > no transition from ignorance to > the end of ignorance, > no aging and death, > no end of aging and death. > > It's the same for > suffering, > misery > sin, > nivana. > > There is > no path, > no wisdom, > no enlightenment, > no non-enlightenment. > > Dear One, in this way > all buddhas -- > realizing nothing, > anchored in the Heart -- > are clear, > fearless. > > They are not > the one confused, > they are not > the one suffering. > > They are Free. > > There's a saying: > > " Gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi swaha. " > > This is how > the Compassionate One -- > Beloved -- > whispers from the Heart. > > > > ~ Prajnaparamita Sutra > > > LoveAlways, > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Nisargadatta, " d_agenda2000 " <d_agenda2000> wrote: >(for you poet-warriors of nondualism, consider the emphasis on " others " ) ))) There is a great conspiracy, but there is no conspirator. It is that curious trance, the hypnotic belief in independent doership, the trick of maya we always seem to be re-enforcing with our implicit recoil into positions of self and other, the fuel for the wheel of dreams that would have things be other than they are, as if mere modifications of consciousness can ever amount to anything other than perpetual spinning in an immensity beyond comprehension. Causal, subtle, and gross are all juggling balls in the hands of the One Who is living us to infinity. Paradoxically, letting this recognition penetrate births a vibrant compassion for the apparent suffering of our darlings who are inextricably blending with the motion of our own appearance here in space/time, our playmates in this poetry of breathing, and something responds without deliberation to reach out in mystery and hold these beloveds, our own vast being reflecting in the faces of despair, cruelty, horrific suffering, and sense of separation from the source of bliss, and so action proceeds as it will, and we are moved to submit everything to the Heart Which welcomes and embraces all these children of the Lord, these confused and trembling little ones for whom just a simple meal and warm safe place seem so out of reach. No, there is no problem. There has never been a problem within Awareness. What may seem to be a problem will be known to be nothing but the blissful Play of the Beautiful One, the Pleasure of the Dreamer, the Grand Conspirator Who conspires to awaken as every dear fillament of this flowering mala around the shoulders of ShivAllah. How is this to be expressed? For each unique strand of Beloved's own Breath there is a pathway stitched into the fabric of beingness that will give rise to spontaneous opportunities for surrendering any sense of division to the reconciliation of heart's true yearning. God will always appear in form to " test us " . " There are various tests to which a devotee is subjected: they could be of the mind, or the intellect, of the body, and so on. A number of such tests are there. In fact, God is conducting tests all the time; every occurrence in life is a test. Every thought that crops up in the mind is in itself a test to see what one's reaction will be. Hence one must be always alert and aloof, conducting oneself with a spirit of detachment, viewing everything as an opportunity afforded to gain experience, to improve oneself and go on to a higher stage. " ~ Bhagavan Nityananda Of course, this testing is Love's own discovery of Itself within every arising form which presents for the sake of Love, a perpetual Remembrance of our True Nature beyond the game of aversion and grasping. Again, this " test " is a matter of submission -- submission of mind, will, and character in That Which lives as us, this divine frailty consumed in transformation, transfiguration, and even translation, untouchable, so wanting to be touching, touched, kissed and loved and let go into the Mystery of Itself. And so we act, discriminating in the objective world, finding our lovers in every flash of light before us, recognizing our own light again and again and again, and for some this might take the form of service and mercy, and for others a sharp sword, but always with Remembrance. We are called to give everything, everything. There is no option. Any resistance, any clinging to some image we hope to retain and defend and protect shall be relinquished in the grace of true renunciation, loving seva to our brothers and sisters in every moment. Whatever is withheld will be the root of our continuing suffering, the suffering of the Beautiful One Who only forgets His Beauty in time for the Joy of Remembrance in the Bliss of Timelessness. May all beings be served by the awakening of true compassion in our hearts, and may Thy Will be done on earth, even as it is in heaven. LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 where are b? . No longer under the oppression of body/mind/maya? Sahaja samadhi? And does that state preclude humanitarianism? Many enlightenened beings have become great "samaritans": Opening hospitals, relief work and the like. Nothing to scoff at. I think Ram Dass committed himself to world seva. cornelius hrtbeat7 wrote: Nisargadatta, "d_agenda2000" <d_agenda2000> wrote:>(for you poet-warriors of nondualism, consider the emphasis on "others")))) There is a great conspiracy, but there is no conspirator.It is that curious trance, the hypnotic belief in independent doership, the trick of maya we always seem to be re-enforcing with our implicit recoil into positions of self and other, the fuel for the wheel of dreams that would have things be other than they are, as if mere modifications of consciousness can ever amount to anything other than perpetual spinning in an immensity beyond comprehension.Causal, subtle, and gross are all juggling balls in the hands of the One Who is living us to infinity. Paradoxically, letting this recognition penetrate births a vibrant compassion for the apparent suffering of our darlings who are inextricably blending with the motion of our own appearance here in space/time, our playmates in this poetry of breathing, and something responds without deliberation to reach out in mystery and hold these beloveds, our own vast being reflecting in the faces of despair, cruelty, horrific suffering, and sense of separation from the source of bliss, and so action proceeds as it will, and we are moved to submit everything to the Heart Which welcomes and embraces all these children of the Lord, these confused and trembling little ones for whom just a simple meal and warm safe place seem so out of reach.No, there is no problem. There has never been a problem within Awareness. What may seem to be a problem will be known to be nothing but the blissful Play of the Beautiful One, the Pleasure of the Dreamer, the Grand Conspirator Who conspires to awaken as every dear fillament of this flowering mala around the shoulders of ShivAllah.How is this to be expressed? For each unique strand of Beloved's own Breath there is a pathway stitched into the fabric of beingness that will give rise to spontaneous opportunities for surrendering any sense of division to the reconciliation of heart's true yearning. God will always appear in form to "test us"."There are various tests to which a devotee is subjected: they could be of the mind, or the intellect, of the body, and so on. A number of such tests are there. In fact, God is conducting tests all the time; every occurrence in life is a test. Every thought that crops up in the mind is in itself a test to see what one's reaction will be. Hence one must be always alert and aloof, conducting oneself with a spirit of detachment, viewing everything as an opportunity afforded to gain experience, to improve oneself and go on to a higher stage." ~ Bhagavan NityanandaOf course, this testing is Love's own discovery of Itself within every arising form which presents for the sake of Love, a perpetual Remembrance of our True Nature beyond the game of aversion and grasping. Again, this "test" is a matter of submission -- submission of mind, will, and character in That Which lives as us, this divine frailty consumed in transformation, transfiguration, and even translation, untouchable, so wanting to be touching, touched, kissed and loved and let go into the Mystery of Itself. And so we act, discriminating in the objective world, finding our lovers in every flash of light before us, recognizing our own light again and again and again, and for some this might take the form of service and mercy, and for others a sharp sword, but always with Remembrance.We are called to give everything, everything. There is no option. Any resistance, any clinging to some image we hope to retain and defend and protect shall be relinquished in the grace of true renunciation, loving seva to our brothers and sisters in every moment. Whatever is withheld will be the root of our continuing suffering, the suffering of the Beautiful One Who only forgets His Beauty in time for the Joy of Remembrance in the Bliss of Timelessness.May all beings be served by the awakening of true compassion in our hearts, and may Thy Will be done on earth, even as it is in heaven. LoveAlways,b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 --- el_wells_2002 <elizabethwells wrote: > > > >Without this " movement " consciousness is not > conscious > > of being conscious. > > El > ---------------- > > ))) Consciousness moves, > > Awareness does not. > > > > > > LoveAlways, > > > > b > ---------------- > > In my original state I am, but I do not know I am. > > So says SNM. > And El concurrs. > Word it however it pleases you. ----- And if that isn't enough, I say so too, and further more, 'b' doesn't know he is, even in his un-original state. ))) Right 'b'? Pete Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Absolutely great poetry. I should have written that. I hate you! But wait a minute, I wrote that, didn't I? )) THanks, b Pete --- hrtbeat7 <hrtbeat7 wrote: > Nisargadatta, cornelius > <d_agenda2000> wrote: > > >Perhaps, in this regard, the Heart can direct the > Ego in the least > threatening fashion: it says " Look here Ego, on the > other side is > Unity and Joy " > > > ))) It is such a living, laughing paradox – > there appears to be some person talking, > but there is nobody talking, > there is only this talking, > this starlight, > this infinite room, > the murmuring brook with no banks, > a single beam of clear white light > traveling on through endlessness, > once mistaken for some identity, > a simple shift in perception, > yes, really such a simplicity > it has always been, this murmuring, > and that in which this murmur streams, > what seemed a life, a personality, the play > continues, but with no implication of > any actual person, any actor or actors, any > actual thing, any center, anything but just this > single > flowing sentence, this singing, only singing, > praising > without any singer, with nothing to praise – > Oh, we can say the Great One, but still > nobody is speaking, nobody is hearing, > there is only speaking, hearing, as if > the Great one is this speaking, listening, > as if somebody is speaking, > somebody is hearing, but > that is only like some way to > say this thing that can't be said > by anybody, the very one who > seems to be somebody, the living > laughing paradox of this Mystery, > this vastness singing, singing. > > That this free luminosity should resume > in the midst of our lovemaking > is really not surprising > after all. > > > LoveAlways, > > b > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Nisargadatta, cornelius <d_agenda2000> wrote: >where are b? . ))) Dear One, we do what we can, remembering that we do nothing. personally, i am involved in a life of service for 40 years. when i pause to consider the fruits of these efforts, it is like trying to recall some event in a dream. " This phenomenal world, however, is nothing but thought. When the world recedes from one's view - that is when free from thought- the mind enjoys the Bliss of the Self. Conversely, when the world appears – that is when thought occurs- the mind experiences pain and anguish. Not from any desire, resolve or effort on the part of the rising sun, but merely due to the presence of his rays, the lens emits heat, the lotus blossoms, water evaporates and the individuals in society take up their respective avocations in life. In the proximity of the magnet the needle moves. Even so, the soul or jiva (individual soul), subjected to the three-fold activity of creation, preservation and destruction that take place merely due to the unique presence of the Supreme Lord, performs acts in accordance with its Karma, and subsides to rest after such activity. He should on the other hand, consider the phenomenal world with reference to himself as merely a dream. Except that the wakeful state is long and the dream state is short, there is no other difference between the two. All the activities of the dream state appear, for the time being, just as real as the activities of the wakeful state seem to be while awake. Only, during the dream state the mind assumes another form or a different bodily sheath. For, thoughts on the one hand, and name and form on the other, occur simultaneously during both the wakeful and dream states. There are not two minds, one good and the other evil. It is only the Vasanas or tendencies of the mind that are of two kinds, good and favourable, evil and unfavourable. When the mind is associated with the former, it is called good, and when associated with the latter, it is called evil. However evil-minded other people may appear to you, it is not proper to hate or despise them. Likes and dislikes, love and hatred are equally to be eschewed. It is also not proper to let the mind often rest on objects or affairs of mundane life. As far as possible one should not interfere in the affairs of others. Everything offered to others is really an offering to one self; and if only this truth is realised, who is there that would refuse anything to others? If the ego rises, all else will also rise; if it subsides, all else will also subside. The deeper the humility with which we conduct ourselves, the better it is for us. If only the mind is kept under control, what does it matter where one may happen to be? " ~ Sri Ramana LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Nisargadatta, pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: >And if that isn't enough, I say so too, and further more, 'b' doesn't know he is, even in his un-original state. ))) Right 'b'? ))) Si, Amigo! LoveAlways, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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