To Pete--reflections of the ego on itself

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Nisargadatta, " el_wells_2002 " <elizabethwells@m...> wrote:

 

> " Your orgasm, your experience of God,

> (should you be lucky enough to have one)

> Will not be Enlightenment,

> But the result of masturbation. "

> Judi

 

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Judi and Wayne hit the nail on the head.

 

 

))) Dear Elizabeth,

 

Although your comment was addressed to Pete, i hope you won't mind if

i respond.

Such statements as Wayne's are all too commonly made by the recoiling

comparative mind that would separate elightenment and sexuality, and

invariably betrays an emotional/sexual contraction that expresses

itself as a judgement on others' modes of praising God.

 

" I have given each being a separate and unique way

of seeing and knowing and saying that knowledge.

 

What seems wrong to you is right for him.

What is poison to one is honey to someone else.

 

Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship,

these mean nothing to me.

I am apart from all that.

Ways of worshipping are not to be ranked as better

or worse than one another.

Hindus do Hindu things.

Muslims do what they do.

It's all praise, and it's all right.

 

It's not me that's glorified in acts of worship.

It's the worshippers! I don't hear the words

they say. I look inside at the humility.

 

That broken-open lowliness is the reality,

not the language! Forget phraseology.

I want burning, BURNING.

 

Be friends

with your burning. Burn up your thinking

and your forms of expression!

Moses,

those who pay attention to ways of behaving

and speaking are one sort.

Lovers who burn are another.

Don't impose a property tax

on a burned-out village. Don't scold the lover.

The 'wrong' way he talks is better than a hundred

'right' ways of others.

Inside the Kaaba

it doesn't matter which direction you point

your prayer rug!

The ocean diver doesn't need snowshoes!

The love-religion has no code or doctrine.

Only God. "

 

~ Rumi, from Moses & the Shepherd

 

 

In fact, i spent some time on Wayne's list (where Judi was laughed

off, btw), and eventually d when Wayne announced that

anybody who was unwilling to submit exclusively to him as " The

Teacher " was wasting his and their time. This also coincided with his

repeated intimations that he was the returning Jesus Christ.

 

Hitting nails on the head takes on a humorous significance when they

are being pounded into air.

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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& gt; & gt; & gt; If you like it, why beat around the

& gt; & gt; & gt; bush?

& gt; & gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; & gt; Just come right out and say you like

it!

& gt; & gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; & gt; Anchorsaweighlove,

& gt; & gt; & gt; Dan

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& gt; & gt; ******* Yes, it's an insult to intelligence.

& gt; & gt; I like how Wayne puts it:

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; & #34;Your orgasm, your experience of God,

& gt; & gt; (should you be lucky enough to have one)

& gt; & gt; Will not be Enlightenment,

& gt; & gt; But the result of masturbation. & #34;

& gt; & gt; Judi

& gt;

& gt; -------------------------

& gt;

& gt; Judi and Wayne hit the nail on the head.

& gt;

& gt; Don't you agree, Pete?

& gt;

& gt; El

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Yes, dear. The new-born calf desperetly trying to suck

some bliss from the cosmic cow. It's comical, but at

the same time, it tugs at the heart strings. The calf,

will one day, forget mamma's milk and roam the empty

pastures.

 

Love,

 

Pete

 

 

 

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Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:45 AM

To Pete--Re: reflections of the ego on itself

 

Nisargadatta, "el_wells_2002" <elizabethwells@m...> wrote:> "Your orgasm, your experience of God,> (should you be lucky enough to have one)> Will not be Enlightenment,> But the result of masturbation."> Judi-------------------------Judi and Wayne hit the nail on the head.))) Dear Elizabeth,Although your comment was addressed to Pete, i hope you won't mind if i respond.Such statements as Wayne's are all too commonly made by the recoiling comparative mind that would separate elightenment and sexuality, and invariably betrays an emotional/sexual contraction that expresses itself as a judgement on others' modes of praising God. ********* No my friend, the Truth or Enlightenment is NOT an experience, of which of course you still as yet don't understand. I spent over 20 years as a "bliss-bunny" with my "God" and "Oneness" experiences *up and down* chasing all the time, enough to choke, thank god which I finally did in March, 97, which you are welcome to read here about on my website. "Understanding" you see, precedes and is *prior* to *any* experience that you can have, no matter how *subtle* the expeience is. I never go any*where* you see, and I'm only too happy to be relieved of it all. So what I'm saying here is instead of chasing and always looking to experience of some sort, look to what it is you're *doing*, *undermine yourself* instead. And also, like Wayne says, "You can disappear for hours now, you're getting good at it, but I got one question for you, why do you come back?"

You see what I mean, it's all that coming and going business is what eventually gets undermined in Understanding itself. That whole entire business gets upended. Or like Da put it: "When you get tired of all the *heavens* (sic), come and see me."

 

You see, from the point of view of Understanding, your blissful experiences are just so much *tommy-rot*. Beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, but *tommy-rot* nonetheless.

 

 

Judi

 

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