For Dave S. on Aziz (Jan)

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Jan,

 

Thanks for the reply. What do you think about Aziz's map of awaking

especially his words on the soul and awakening to the heart?

 

" Reaching the Absolute can be very dangerous, for there is the

possibility of dissolving the Soul. The pull from the bottomless

ocean of stillness absorbs all feelings and thoughts into its

original Emptiness. It is very easy to get stuck in the experience

of Peace. Enlightenment brings the conviction that all has been

reached and it is enough to rest in the effortless state of Absolute

Stillness. But it is not the end. As we had to use effort to reach

the state of Peace, so now we need to move out of it if we wish to

reach our Soul. And reaching the Soul is our ultimate task, for she

is that which we truly are. " - Aziz

 

> If you want 'concepts' than Ramana and Nisargadatta are the best.

 

That has been my finding also

 

>The 'thorns' they give you to remove other 'thorns' are themselves

very easy to remove.

 

Interesting words....

 

Thanks,

Shawn

 

 

Nisargadatta, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote:

> At 14.09.02-08:09 AM Shawn wrote:

> >Dan,

> >

> >I'm looking for " I Am " and thought Aziz had some useful words to

> >guide me. I'm not " looking " for a particular response just

feedback.

> >I'm just a beginner on this path still suffering from " spiritual "

> >insecurity.

> >

> >Shawn

>

> Let me first state that Aziz's writings gave me a huge

breakthrough.

> However I also agree with what Dan is saying.

> Forget about all the concepts. However Aziz's explanations about

the state

> of presence and how to progress from there helped me stay in

awareness

> without consciousness a whole night.

> His methods are very simple.

>

> Also, I have seen the 'souls' of my workers in a mystical

experience.

> However I don't know how to fit that in with Nisargadatta's

teachings.

> [Nisargadatta being my no.1 Guru]

>

> If you want 'concepts' than Ramana and Nisargadatta are the best.

The

> 'thorns' they give you to remove other 'thorns' are themselves very

easy to

> remove.

>

> As for Dan. I don't think he is the right guru for beginners!

>

> Love

> Jan