For Dave S. on Aziz (pete/Mark

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<P>Thanks for the clarification. & nbsp; Attention

without an observer is a very nice expression. & nbsp;

But...how does it " enable " the X as we shall call it

 

It doesn't enable the X. They say the eye can't see

itself. Right? Is that realy true? If you look up

to a sunlit sky you'll see floaters. Floaters are in

the eye, but are not the eye. Everything you see when

you pay attention are floaters. The whole universe is

a floater in attention. What is the eye, then?

 

Pete

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> Do we agree that the Self (the Supreme) is

> inherently not an observer?

 

What self are you observing, that is

the supreme, and inherently is not an observer?

 

Where are you in relation to this self you're

observing and calling supreme?

 

> Do we agree that whatever might qualify as

> " the eye " (in the sense of your question)

> is inherently an observer?

 

Makes sense.

 

The definition of an eye is that it observes.

 

To observe is to register in some way (as

the impact of a photon).

 

There must be the act of registry, that which

makes an impact, and that which registers the

impact and recalls it (memory).

 

What is the reality that has no dependence

on registry or memory?

 

One could not call that a self, nor supreme,

as these distinctions involve identity

and comparison, hence involve observation.

 

We point and point and point to this unpointable.

 

Hopefully, we can laugh.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta, pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote:

>

> --- Bill Rishel <plexus@x...> wrote:

> > Do we agree that the Self (the Supreme) is

> > inherently not an observer?

>

> The Supreme doesn't know itself as the Supreme, it

> knows itself as Diana Ross.

>

> Pete

 

 

Diana Ross is not inherently an observer.

 

Diana Ross is not inherently anything.

 

Nonetheless, she hangs her gold records

in frames on her wall.

 

In the situation in which Diana hangs

her gold records, there is no

inherent point of observation.

 

Yet, we can let her know if one of them

is hanging crooked.

 

-- Dan