Mind, identity, and consciousness -- was RE: Riddles

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Bill --

 

> > Consciousness already is consciousness,

> > or " what is " is always with and of itself,

> > and whatever movements of words

> > occur don't change that one way

> > or the other ...

> Clearly. It's not about the words. And yet

> they are our medium here. How to speak of what

> is beyond words without getting tangled up in

> them?

 

For me, words give the condition of definition,

which pertains to thought, memory, sense,

and sense-objects as well.

 

If definition can be used without being fooled,

then words, thought, memory, sense,

are considered in clarity.

 

A quality that is here but not there is conceptual,

is definition.

 

What isn't definition may not be provided by words,

but can be suggested.

 

Once seen, words won't fool, nor will thought, memory

or sense.

 

>

> That last question, for whatever reason, is an

> important question for " me " . When I said I had

> failed to communicate, I simply meant that the

> words I had used about consciousness had led to

> too much entanglement (in my assessment) and so

> I had learned something here in the Communication

> About Ineffables lab.

 

Okay.

 

>

> > > I sent that last message with some misgivings

> > > because it was too analytic for my taste, but

> > > it wanted to write itself so I let it.

 

Well, we all have our tastes.

 

With analysis comes synthesis.

 

With division comes healing.

 

>

> > Which gets back to the tautology of a " you "

> > or " I " which claims to allow or not

> > allow things.

> I don't know what to say here. Should " I " avoid

> using the term 'I' to avoid giving the (mistaken?)

> impression that " I " am deluded into cognizing myself

> as some entity?

 

How silly.

 

Any word involves an imagined definition in which

what is within the word is separated from

what is outside of that word category.

 

Our human understanding is binary:

life,death on, off in, out

 

Peace,

Dan