Mind, identity, and consciousness -- was RE: Riddles

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Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> Bill --

>

> > > Consciousness already is consciousness,

> > > or " what is " is always with and of itself,

> > > and whatever movements of words

> > > occur don't change that one way

> > > or the other ...

> > Clearly. It's not about the words. And yet

> > they are our medium here. How to speak of what

> > is beyond words without getting tangled up in

> > them?

>

> For me, words give the condition of definition,

> which pertains to thought, memory, sense,

> and sense-objects as well.

>

> If definition can be used without being fooled,

> then words, thought, memory, sense,

> are considered in clarity.

>

> A quality that is here but not there is conceptual,

> is definition.

>

> What isn't definition may not be provided by words,

> but can be suggested.

>

> Once seen, words won't fool, nor will thought, memory

> or sense.

>

> >

> > That last question, for whatever reason, is an

> > important question for " me " . When I said I had

> > failed to communicate, I simply meant that the

> > words I had used about consciousness had led to

> > too much entanglement (in my assessment) and so

> > I had learned something here in the Communication

> > About Ineffables lab.

>

> Okay.

>

> >

> > > > I sent that last message with some misgivings

> > > > because it was too analytic for my taste, but

> > > > it wanted to write itself so I let it.

>

> Well, we all have our tastes.

>

> With analysis comes synthesis.

>

> With division comes healing.

 

 

 

 

-=>>::>O<::<<=--=>>::>O<::<<=-

 

With " I " subsiding,

there is nothing needing healing.

 

 

-=>>::>O<::<<=--=>>::>O<::<<=-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> > > Which gets back to the tautology of a " you "

> > > or " I " which claims to allow or not

> > > allow things.

> > I don't know what to say here. Should " I " avoid

> > using the term 'I' to avoid giving the (mistaken?)

> > impression that " I " am deluded into cognizing myself

> > as some entity?

>

> How silly.

>

> Any word involves an imagined definition in which

> what is within the word is separated from

> what is outside of that word category.

>

> Our human understanding is binary:

> life,death on, off in, out

>

> Peace,

> Dan