Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Im sorry but I cant make any sense outta that mumbo-jumbo. Would any one care to explain David R. Hawkins ' ( MD, PhD :-) ) viewpoint? ------- Anand. --- Elizabeth G Wells <elwells8 wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> & quot;The spiritual quest could be simplified as the task of <BR> transcending the limitations of linear, sequential duality created <BR> by perception so as to reveal Reality, which is unlimited, <BR> nonlinear and therefore nondual. & quot;<BR> <BR> -- David R. Hawkins, MD, PhD<BR> <BR> <BR> ..<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > Im sorry but I cant make any sense outta that > mumbo-jumbo. Would any one care to explain > David R. Hawkins ' ( MD, PhD :-) ) viewpoint? > ------- > Anand. > ---------------- More important Anand, do our posts in response to your last post make any sense to you? El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 I know that what I am not. Hence your question is as irrelevant as you are. ----- Anand --- Elizabeth G Wells <elwells8 wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran & lt;anandesw & gt; <BR> wrote:<BR> & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Im sorry but I cant make any sense outta that<BR> & gt; mumbo-jumbo. Would any one & nbsp; care to explain <BR> & gt; David R. Hawkins ' ( MD, PhD :-) ) viewpoint?<BR> & gt; -------<BR> & gt; Anand.<BR> & gt; <BR> <BR> ----------------<BR> <BR> More important Anand,<BR> <BR> do our posts in response to your<BR> last post make any sense to you?<BR> <BR> El<BR> <BR> <BR> ..<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 > I know that what I am not. .... > ----- > Anand ------------------------------ Good. " To know what you are, you must first investigate and know what you are not. Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you ~~~~perceive~~~~~ can be you..... " SNM Nisargadatta/ I think the person (from the group here) who sent me the Hawking Quote had this David R. Hawkins mixed up with Stephen W. Hawking, one of my old idols, but that is alright. In effect what this David is saying is in principle what SNM is saying above. i.e. The Real is not a ~~~~~perceiv-able~~~~. El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Thanks for trying to explain but I didnt even read it .. Who cares, anyway? ----- Anand. --- Elizabeth G Wells <elwells8 wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> <BR> & gt; I know that what I am not. ....<BR> & gt; -----<BR> & gt; Anand & nbsp; <BR> <BR> ------------------------------<BR> <BR> Good.<BR> <BR> & quot;To know what you are, you must first investigate and know what <BR> you are not. Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, <BR> thoughts, time, space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, <BR> which you ~~~~perceive~~~~~ <BR> can be you..... & quot; SNM<BR> <a href= " Nisargadatta/ " >/group\ /Nisargadatta/</a><BR> <BR> <BR> I think the person (from the group here)<BR> who sent me the Hawking Quote<BR> had this David R. Hawkins<BR> mixed up with Stephen W. Hawking,<BR> one of my old idols, but that is alright.<BR> <BR> In effect what this David is saying is in principle what SNM<BR> is saying above.<BR> <BR> i.e. The Real is not a ~~~~~perceiv-able~~~~.<BR> <BR> El<BR> <BR> <BR> ..<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Thanks for trying to explain..... Anand. ------------ You are welcome. El ------------ ...but I didnt even read it Who cares, anyway? Anand. ------------- I don't care, or not care, Anand. El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 I think David R. should stick to practicing medicine. Could he find a more vague term than spiritual quest? A more inappropiate term than task? Or a more ridiculous phrase than linear sequential duality as if the duality to be transcended were a row of plastic ducks in a shooting gallery? i prefer SMN version. It takes a lot of reading into it to think they are saying the same thing. Pete --- Elizabeth G Wells <elwells8 wrote: > " The spiritual quest could be simplified as the task > of > transcending the limitations of linear, sequential > duality created > by perception so as to reveal Reality, which is > unlimited, > nonlinear and therefore nondual. " > > -- David R. Hawkins, MD, PhD > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Elizabeth G Wells " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > " The spiritual quest could be simplified as the task of > transcending the limitations of linear, sequential duality created > by perception so as to reveal Reality, which is unlimited, > nonlinear and therefore nondual. " > > -- David R. Hawkins, MD, PhD > > > . Thanks, El. It reminded me of this, from Stephen Jourdain's book: " I especially try to make him become conscious of the thought that is in the process of shooting forth directly from him- now, immediately, right away - and which, in general, is totally unconscious. I try to make him catch himself in the act of this ideological, primordial eruption that happens in us prior to oursleves and constitutes the heart of all identification in the negative sense of the term. " Radical Awakening pg 162-163 diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 > i prefer SMN version. It takes a lot of reading into > it > to think they are saying the same thing. > > Pete > ---------------- i prefer SMN version. It takes a lot of reading into it to think they are saying the same thing. Pete -------------------------- For you maybe. But I quit reading or not reading 12 years ago. The Real is neither perceivable or not perceivable. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 --- Elizabeth G Wells <elwells8 wrote: > > -------------------------- > > > > But I quit reading or not reading 12 years ago. > Is that a fact? That must be the reason then you posted what your friend forwarded to you. Pete New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 But I quit reading or not reading 12 years ago. El --------------- Is that a fact? That ~~~~~~~must be~~~~~~~ the reason then you posted what your friend forwarded to you. Pete --------------- ~~~~~~~must be~~~~~~~~ .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Elizabeth G Wells " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > " The spiritual quest could be simplified as the task of > transcending the limitations of linear, sequential duality created > by perception so as to reveal Reality, which is unlimited, > nonlinear and therefore nondual. " > > -- David R. Hawkins, MD, PhD simplified??? damn, one needs a degree in philosophy to understand david hawkins. ramesh writes like this as well. it's ok but i think using the word " simplified " is pushing it a little! i don't have a degree in philosophy but i almost majored in it. almost. so i'm wondering if i can translate david's quote (coughs): the spiritual quests ie when the lover seeks the beloved god, could be simplified as the worship (practice) goes beyond the limitations of the time-bound (linear, sequential) love story (duality) created by the mind so as to reveal the beloved God, who is limitless, timeless and therefore there is only Love. Short version: it's a timeless love story...there is no lover, no beloved but only Love. ok i borrowed the sufi terms instead of metaphysics but hey i tried! hur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 It's way too simple for even this: . Dan Nisargadatta, " Hur Guler " <hurg> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " Elizabeth G Wells " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > > " The spiritual quest could be simplified as the task of > > transcending the limitations of linear, sequential duality created > > by perception so as to reveal Reality, which is unlimited, > > nonlinear and therefore nondual. " > > > > -- David R. Hawkins, MD, PhD > > simplified??? damn, one needs a degree in philosophy to understand > david hawkins. ramesh writes like this as well. it's ok but i think > using the word " simplified " is pushing it a little! > > i don't have a degree in philosophy but i almost majored in it. > almost. so i'm wondering if i can translate david's quote (coughs): > > the spiritual quests ie when the lover seeks the beloved god, could > be simplified as the worship (practice) goes beyond the limitations > of the time-bound (linear, sequential) love story (duality) created > by the mind so as to reveal the beloved God, who is limitless, > timeless and therefore there is only Love. > > Short version: it's a timeless love story...there is no lover, no > beloved but only Love. ok i borrowed the sufi terms instead of > metaphysics but hey i tried! > > hur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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