Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 Among the world's mystical traditions Sufis call That Love Defining Love is challenging Hindus equate the universal Self with Consciousness Buddhists named That emptiness Modern nondualists call That " consciousness " or simply the " I-am-thought " defining consciousness is just as challenging as defining love I heard Christians speak of the Divine Presence In the Old Testament God said to Moses " I am who I am " The awareness of being is love Sweet love does this sound like a sugarcoated model of reality that can only come from the devotional minds? If we didn't know any of the above spiritual traditions and their concepts, what do we really know? Love is sweet but as long as consciousness is present Once the body/mind dies, there is no more sweetness This temporary state, the " I-am-thought, " this consciousness, this awareness of being, this Love appeared and one day it will disappear. I have no idea what or who remains after death but by definition what remains is " what has always been " and whatever that may be, That is here and now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Hur Guler " <hurg> wrote: > Among the world's mystical traditions > Sufis call That Love > Defining Love is challenging > Hindus equate the universal Self with Consciousness > Buddhists named That emptiness > Modern nondualists call That " consciousness " > or simply the " I-am-thought " > defining consciousness is just as challenging as defining love > I heard Christians speak of the Divine Presence > In the Old Testament God said to Moses " I am who I am " > > The awareness of being is love > > Sweet love > does this sound like a sugarcoated model of reality > that can only come from the devotional minds? > > If we didn't know any of the above spiritual traditions > and their concepts, > what do we really know? > > Love is sweet but as long as consciousness is present > Once the body/mind dies, there is no more sweetness > This temporary state, > the " I-am-thought, " > this consciousness, > this awareness of being, > this Love > appeared and one day it will disappear. > > I have no idea what or who remains after death > but by definition what remains is > " what has always been " > and whatever that may be, > That is here and now ------------------------------- What do we really know? Hur History. El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Elizabeth G Wells " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " Hur Guler " <hurg> wrote: > > Among the world's mystical traditions > > Sufis call That Love > > Defining Love is challenging > > Hindus equate the universal Self with Consciousness > > Buddhists named That emptiness > > Modern nondualists call That " consciousness " > > or simply the " I-am-thought " > > defining consciousness is just as challenging as defining love > > I heard Christians speak of the Divine Presence > > In the Old Testament God said to Moses " I am who I am " > > > > The awareness of being is love > > > > Sweet love > > does this sound like a sugarcoated model of reality > > that can only come from the devotional minds? > > > > If we didn't know any of the above spiritual traditions > > and their concepts, > > what do we really know? > > > > Love is sweet but as long as consciousness is present > > Once the body/mind dies, there is no more sweetness > > This temporary state, > > the " I-am-thought, " > > this consciousness, > > this awareness of being, > > this Love > > appeared and one day it will disappear. > > > > I have no idea what or who remains after death > > but by definition what remains is > > " what has always been " > > and whatever that may be, > > That is here and now > > > ------------------------------- > > What do we really know? > Hur > > > History. > El > > When I was handed my first history book.... I paged through this big thick musty thing, handed it back to the teacher, and said, " no thank you, I'm here now. " Wack! El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 > what do we really know? So forget *knowing*. Rather ask, " What is? " For me what arises in my heart and fills me Is. Now Is. > Sweet love > does this sound like a sugarcoated model of reality > that can only come from the devotional minds? But Sweet Love is not a model. > Love is sweet but as long as consciousness is present > Once the body/mind dies, there is no more sweetness > This temporary state, > the " I-am-thought, " > this consciousness, > this awareness of being, > this Love > appeared and one day it will disappear. > > I have no idea what or who remains after death > but by definition what remains is > " what has always been " > and whatever that may be, > That is here and now Now itself is sweetness. We check all ideas at the door to enter Now. -Bill > Hur Guler [hurg] > > Among the world's mystical traditions > Sufis call That Love > Defining Love is challenging > Hindus equate the universal Self with Consciousness > Buddhists named That emptiness > Modern nondualists call That " consciousness " > or simply the " I-am-thought " > defining consciousness is just as challenging as defining love > I heard Christians speak of the Divine Presence > In the Old Testament God said to Moses " I am who I am " > > The awareness of being is love > > Sweet love > does this sound like a sugarcoated model of reality > that can only come from the devotional minds? > > If we didn't know any of the above spiritual traditions > and their concepts, > what do we really know? > > Love is sweet but as long as consciousness is present > Once the body/mind dies, there is no more sweetness > This temporary state, > the " I-am-thought, " > this consciousness, > this awareness of being, > this Love > appeared and one day it will disappear. > > I have no idea what or who remains after death > but by definition what remains is > " what has always been " > and whatever that may be, > That is here and now > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Hur Guler " <hurg> wrote: > If we didn't know any of the above spiritual traditions > and their concepts, > what do we really know? > I think we would know, specifically, that we are not anything seen, heard, sensed, & cognized, but are the spotless " space " or " surface " in which these occur, consisting of awareness, and that this awareness is also blissful. Beyond that, the mind may conceive pet theories of it & philosophical systems, but this central thing can't be denied. There's a book I've been reading recently by R.C. Zaehner called " Hindu and Muslim Mysticism " . It addresses these issues from a scholarly standpoint, but it does give good doses of the various proponents themselves. It appears that there is taught, among mystics, three identifiable definitions of liberation - isolation, undifferentiated, & love-based (theistic). The second one is, I think, the most truthful, for the first and third have either a negative or positive view towards stimuli, which the Self doesn't have. > Love is sweet but as long as consciousness is present > Once the body/mind dies, there is no more sweetness The body & mind are dependent wholly upon consciousness. > This temporary state, > the " I-am-thought, " > this consciousness, > this awareness of being, > this Love > appeared and one day it will disappear. > If it meets appearance and disappearance, it is not the True Self and is a fabricated, conditioned thing - no sense in bothering with it until one comes to the True Self. > I have no idea what or who remains after death > but by definition what remains is > " what has always been " > and whatever that may be, > That is here and now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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