RE: On being enlightened (Oz)

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Oz,

 

> it appears to me he

> is speaking from enlightenment ...,

> but that does not qualify him as someone to follow.

Right on!

Ramana Maharshi is my prime example of this.

He is gorgeous, beautiful. The things he says are

lucious. But his advice for practice, imHo, is

very limited. Maharshi attained his " transition "

very quickly when very young. So I think he is

not so likely to understand about the varieties

of human ignorance and the travails of the spiritual

path. To say this is, I imagine, virtual heresy

to many Maharshi devotees. And yet I say this

loving Maharshi above all. There is no one whose

words I resonate more deeply with.

 

As for Nisargadatta, he worked very individually

with the people that came to see him. As for simply

reading the text of his dialogs, it seems that his

material is for the advanced " students of Life " .

Also, his followers tend to be very mental. He doesn't

emphasize the heart in his teaching.

 

> God, I love

> metaphores and I love me, the Great Oz has spoken.

I think your " cart before the horse " metaphor is a

little hackneyed, but I love this last line of yours.

Any one wild and crazy enough to say " I love me " in

public has got to have at least a little speck of

wisdom.

 

-Bill

 

PS: May we call you Ozzie?

 

 

> trem23 [inmadison]

>

> The Great Oz will once more speak . . .

>

> The 'cart' is enlightenment, the 'horse' is getting there. Many

> great souls have stumbled upon enlightenment, but have no clue how

> they got there. As a result, the path to enlightenment is

> bespecled with all sorts of wierd practices and lifestyles. I am

> proposing that Nisgardatta is one such well-intentioned fellow; or

> perhaps he has no intentions at all - he simply wrote from his

> resolute mind and full heart.

>

> Reading the exerps (which I had done long ago) it appears to me he

> is speaking from enlightenment (or at least faking it pretty well),

> but that does not qualify him as someone to follow. But then,

> perhaps he doesn't wish to be followed, in which case, that leads

> right to what I am saying.

>

> One does not become a rich man by wearing the clothes of a rich man!

> That would be putting the cart before the horse. God, I love

> metaphores and I love me, the Great Oz has spoken.