Guest guest Posted October 16, 2002 Report Share Posted October 16, 2002 Some seekers on getting a deep insight, a sample conclude they have reached the top an abandon seeking realization ( which is good) but begin seeking confirmation ( which is bad) because it's the same old seeking. Before they were seeking an experience, a state, a truth; now they are seeking for people or hardships that will validate their arrival at the top. There is no such ultimate state anyone can arrive at. All mental states, visions, understandings, realizations, ecstasies and so fore are impermanent. As long as we are alive and have a brain the unmanifested will elude us. Christ, Buddha, SMN all said the same. Only after death will we merge with the Absolute. Even when consciousness is swallowed by the darkness and peace of the no-mind infinity it will sooner or later fall back. All realizations are within manifestation and like any manifested state they will undergo change. So save yourself the embarrassment of saying you have realized the ultimate. There is no such thing. Best to ye all, Pete Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Pete, My readings of Christ, Buddha (did he write anything?), Shankara, and etc. do point me towards a Permanance. Nowhere do I read Christ saying something like " You're only human so do the best you can and we'll sort this out after you die. " Or Buddha, " Let's play for a tie in regulation and win it in overtime. " There is no question that the material/physical world we live in is ruled by birth/decay/death and is essentially uninhabitable. There is no such thing as an endless bag of twenty dollar bills - - so 'decide' to NOT live here. As Christ says: " Seek ye first the kingdom of Heaven, and all else will be added unto you. " Great Masters are not a fan of death as a tool, in fact, if you die you didn't make it. " Even though I walk through the valley of death, I fear no evil " Sarte would agree with you, but then he was French (heh heh). > There is no such ultimate state anyone can arrive at. > All mental states, visions, understandings, > realizations, ecstasies and so fore are impermanent. > As long as we are alive and have a brain the > unmanifested will elude us. Christ, Buddha, SMN all > said the same. > > Only after death will we merge with the Absolute. > Even when consciousness is swallowed by > the darkness and peace of the no-mind infinity it will > sooner or later fall back. All realizations are > within manifestation and like any manifested state > they > will undergo change. So save yourself the > embarrassment of saying you have realized the > ultimate. There is no such thing. > > Best to ye all, > > Pete > > > > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 They seem to you to point toward permanence because you are reading these texts as if there were somewhere for you to be pointed. By the way, in your readings, did you miss that the central teaching of Buddhism is impermanence and non-identity? Neither Jesus nor Gautama wrote down their teachings. Lao Tzu only wrote a brief poem when being begged by a disciple to leave something written before he retired from teaching to live in the woods. Of course, all of the texts we have about these folk's teachings are stories, are myths, are stories. A story can't give what is-not-story. That a teacher taught without writing can be taken as a statement that what was said was situational and was a response in a given moment to a situation as it arose. Jesus and Gautama were not trying to write down truisms to be brought forward in time and applied to other situations. They weren't living in such a way as to imagine things being brought forward in time and imposed on yet-to-come moments. Realizing why they didn't write may be more important than pondering the writings that others made about their teachings, after the fact. Non-imposition is what is when there is no attempt being made to bring something forward to be transferred into another moment. -- Dan Nisargadatta, " trem23 " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > Pete, > > My readings of Christ, Buddha (did he write anything?), Shankara, and > etc. do point me towards a Permanance. Nowhere do I read Christ > saying something like " You're only human so do the best you can and > we'll sort this out after you die. " Or Buddha, " Let's play for a tie > in regulation and win it in overtime. " > > There is no question that the material/physical world we live in is > ruled by birth/decay/death and is essentially uninhabitable. There > is no such thing as an endless bag of twenty dollar bills - - > so 'decide' to NOT live here. As Christ says: " Seek ye first the > kingdom of Heaven, and all else will be added unto you. " Great > Masters are not a fan of death as a tool, in fact, if you die you > didn't make it. " Even though I walk through the valley of death, I > fear no evil " > > Sarte would agree with you, but then he was French (heh heh). > > > There is no such ultimate state anyone can arrive at. > > All mental states, visions, understandings, > > realizations, ecstasies and so fore are impermanent. > > As long as we are alive and have a brain the > > unmanifested will elude us. Christ, Buddha, SMN all > > said the same. > > > > Only after death will we merge with the Absolute. > > Even when consciousness is swallowed by > > the darkness and peace of the no-mind infinity it will > > sooner or later fall back. All realizations are > > within manifestation and like any manifested state > > they > > will undergo change. So save yourself the > > embarrassment of saying you have realized the > > ultimate. There is no such thing. > > > > Best to ye all, > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > > http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 > Only after death will we merge with the Absolute. > Even when consciousness is swallowed by > the darkness and peace of the no-mind infinity it will > sooner or later fall back. All realizations are > within manifestation and like any manifested state > they will undergo change. So save yourself the > embarrassment of saying you have realized the > ultimate. There is no such thing. What's the point then? The absolute, why strive to reach it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Yes! ----- Anand. <BR> What's the point then? The absolute, why strive to reach it?<BR> <BR> </body></html> ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 --- Shawn <shawnregan wrote: > What's the point then? The absolute, why strive to > reach it? Don't. Strive to understand Shawn and when you see through that falsehood everything is acomplished. Pete Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > They seem to you to point toward > permanence because you are reading these texts > as if there were somewhere for you to be pointed. > Bingo by Jove I've think you got it. > By the way, in your readings, did you miss that the > central teaching of Buddhism is impermanence > and non-identity? Yes I missed that - or should I qualify: I did get that one can not find permanence or identity in a world subject to change. You gotta' look in the Great Elsewhere > Of course, all of the texts we have about these > folk's teachings > are stories, are myths, are stories. > A story can't give what is-not-story. A story can't give anything - it all depends on what the reader brings to the book. Everytime one glides though " I AM THAT " for example, they should be a different person. The knowledge of any book stays in the book. > > That a teacher taught without writing > can be taken as a statement that what was > said was situational and was a > response in a given moment to a situation as it > arose. Yes, they were relevant and timely. > > Jesus and Gautama were not trying to write down truisms to be > brought forward in time and applied to other > situations. Jesus made it very clear He came to fulfill the prophesies of the Old Testemant, and that His knowledge was suitable " for all nations " . Gautama was less aggressive - but He also felt compelled to share what He had learned. Besides, there aren't new situations, just the same old same old over and over. (You must not be married heh heh) Most great teachers, such as Buddha and Jesus and others, did not spring from 'thin air' - - but they arose from some great long standing tradition. Either they arose to rejuvinate or resusitate the tradition, or in the case of Gautama he began a whole new thread. > > They weren't living in such a way as to imagine > things being brought forward in time and imposed > on yet-to-come moments. Do not place limits on anyone, that is not your job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Nisargadatta, " trem23 " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > They seem to you to point toward > > permanence because you are reading these texts > > as if there were somewhere for you to be pointed. > > > > Bingo by Jove I've think you got it. That's a big assumption you're making there, about there being somewhere you're being pointed to. Look into the assumption, rather than looking to get to where you think you're being pointed. > > > By the way, in your readings, did you miss that the > > central teaching of Buddhism is impermanence > > and non-identity? > > Yes I missed that - or should I qualify: I did get that one can not > find permanence or identity in a world subject to change. You > gotta' look in the Great Elsewhere " The Great Elsewhere " is merely an idea arising. That idea is transient. You imagine yourself being able to look elsewhere, but what needs to be looked into is the " looker. " The looker is an imagined continuing entity, moment to moment. Peace is the dissolution of the assumptions that construct the " looker " as apart from " what is being looked for. " > > > Of course, all of the texts we have about these > > folk's teachings > > are stories, are myths, are stories. > > A story can't give what is-not-story. > > A story can't give anything - it all depends on what the reader > brings to the book. Everytime one glides though " I AM THAT " for > example, they should be a different person. The knowledge of any > book stays in the book. Yes, this is so. When I am That glides through you, then it won't matter what it says. When the you that I am That is gliding through, glides through, there will be nowhere for you to be or not to be. snip > > Jesus and Gautama were not trying to write down truisms to be > > brought forward in time and applied to other > > situations. > > Jesus made it very clear He came to fulfill the prophesies of the > Old Testemant, and that His knowledge was suitable " for all > nations " . No. You don't know what Jesus made clear or didn't make clear. You only know what you've brought to your reading of writings that others made about him, after he was dead. Gautama was less aggressive - but He also felt compelled > to share what He had learned. How do you know that feeling compelled had anything to do with it? Besides, there aren't new situations, > just the same old same old over and over. (You must not be married > heh heh) Most great teachers, such as Buddha and Jesus and others, > did not spring from 'thin air' - - but they arose from some great > long standing tradition. That is totally your interpretation about how things arise. You yourself are an arising, and can't make sense of yourself arising, so how can you hope to make sense of how others have arisen? Either they arose to rejuvinate or > resusitate the tradition, or in the case of Gautama he began a whole > new thread. No, others began a new thread after writing down things about him and what he had said. > > They weren't living in such a way as to imagine > > things being brought forward in time and imposed > > on yet-to-come moments. > > Do not place limits on anyone, that is not your job. I am not placing limits on them. I am the life of them, and of you, and of Dan. The limits I give to them, and Dan, and you, are the limits that allow your form to breathe. -- Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Dan wrote: "The Great Elsewhere" is merely an idea arising.That idea is transient.You imagine yourself being able to look elsewhere, but what needs to be looked into is the "looker." ****** Bingo! Yes, he's living in his imagination (pie in the sky) which is but suffering itself, like duh???, INSTEAD of looking to what he's doing (who he *is*) in the first place! This is a list for realizers and mature humans who aspire to such realization. It is for those that have been around the block one too many times and are now ready and willing to really start looking at the truth of and in themselves, at the ignorant suffering that's keeping them mired in the "seeker" identity and role. This is not a refuge for the emotionally immature or for those with psychological problems to work out -- the inveterate self-improvers, the humor-impaired, the "New Age" spirituality hobbyists and those merely seeking attention by gabbing about how blissful, happy, loving, smart, or even how dumb they think they are simply need not apply here. This is a list for those ready to cut through their own games, for those willing to wholeheartedly put themselves on the line for the undermining and the understanding of that whole nonsensical separate adventure in its entirety -- and it's for sharing the humor, the love, and the pure joy of finally realizing our true, newborn perceptual condition, a state that is not separation, but rather wholeness, freedom, consciousness itself. To those with hearts so moved, we invite you. Welcome Home. TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Hey Judi, As another self-realized person on this list, it's sure nice to hear from you :-) ----- Anand. --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: > Dan wrote: > > " The Great Elsewhere " is merely an idea arising. > That idea is transient. > > You imagine yourself being able to look elsewhere, > but what needs to be looked into is the " looker. " > > ****** Bingo! Yes, he's living in his imagination > (pie in the sky) which is but suffering itself, like > duh???, INSTEAD of looking to what he's doing (who > he *is*) in the first place! > > > > This is a list for realizers and mature humans who > aspire to such realization. It is for those that > have been around the block one too many times and > are now ready and willing to really start looking at > the truth of and in themselves, at the ignorant > suffering that's keeping them mired in the " seeker " > identity and role. This is not a refuge for the > emotionally immature or for those with psychological > problems to work out -- the inveterate > self-improvers, the humor-impaired, the " New Age " > spirituality hobbyists and those merely seeking > attention by gabbing about how blissful, happy, > loving, smart, or even how dumb they think they are > simply need not apply here. > > This is a list for those ready to cut through their > own games, for those willing to wholeheartedly put > themselves on the line for the undermining and the > understanding of that whole nonsensical separate > adventure in its entirety -- and it's for sharing > the humor, the love, and the pure joy of finally > realizing our true, newborn perceptual condition, a > state that is not separation, but rather wholeness, > freedom, consciousness itself. > > > To those with hearts so moved, we invite you. > > > Welcome Home. > > TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ > > ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 I assure you , folks, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about ----- Anand. --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Nisargadatta, & quot;trem23 & quot; & lt;inmadison@h... & gt; wrote:<BR> & gt; Nisargadatta, & quot;dan330033 & quot; & lt;dan330033 & gt; wrote:<BR> & gt; & gt; They seem to you to point toward<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; permanence because you are reading these texts<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; as if there were somewhere for you to be pointed.<BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Bingo by Jove I've think you got it.<BR> <BR> That's a big assumption you're making there, about<BR> & nbsp; there being somewhere you're being pointed to.<BR> <BR> Look into the assumption, rather than looking to<BR> & nbsp; get to where you think you're being pointed.<BR> <BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; By the way, in your readings, did you miss that the<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; central teaching of Buddhism is impermanence<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; and non-identity?<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Yes I missed that - or should I qualify: I did get that one can not <BR> & gt; find permanence or identity in a world subject to change. & nbsp; You <BR> & gt; gotta' look in the Great Elsewhere <BR> <BR> & quot;The Great Elsewhere & quot; is merely an idea arising.<BR> That idea is transient.<BR> <BR> You imagine yourself being able to look elsewhere,<BR> & nbsp; but what needs to be looked into is the & quot;looker. & quot;<BR> <BR> The looker is an imagined continuing entity, moment<BR> & nbsp; to moment. & nbsp; Peace is the dissolution of the assumptions<BR> & nbsp; that construct the & quot;looker & quot; as apart from & quot;what is being<BR> & nbsp; looked for. & quot;<BR> <BR> & gt; & nbsp; <BR> & gt; & gt; Of course, all of the texts we have about these<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; folk's teachings<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; are stories, are myths, are stories.<BR> & gt; & gt; A story can't give what is-not-story.<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; A story can't give anything - it all depends on what the reader <BR> & gt; brings to the book. & nbsp; Everytime one glides though & quot;I AM THAT & quot; for <BR> & gt; example, they should be a different person. & nbsp; The knowledge of any <BR> & gt; book stays in the book.<BR> <BR> Yes, this is so.<BR> <BR> When I am That glides through you,<BR> & nbsp; then it won't matter what it says.<BR> <BR> When the you that I am That is gliding through,<BR> & nbsp; glides through, there will be nowhere for you<BR> & nbsp; to be or not to be.<BR> <BR> snip<BR> <BR> & gt; & gt; Jesus and Gautama were not trying to write down truisms to be<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; brought forward in time and applied to other<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; situations.<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Jesus made it very clear He came to fulfill the prophesies of the <BR> & gt; Old Testemant, and that His knowledge was suitable & quot;for all <BR> & gt; nations & quot;. <BR> <BR> No.<BR> <BR> You don't know what Jesus made clear or didn't make clear.<BR> <BR> You only know what you've brought to your reading<BR> & nbsp; of writings that others made about him, after<BR> & nbsp; he was dead.<BR> <BR> <BR> Gautama was less aggressive - but He also felt compelled <BR> & gt; to share what He had learned. <BR> <BR> How do you know that feeling compelled had anything<BR> & nbsp; to do with it?<BR> <BR> Besides, there aren't new situations, <BR> & gt; just the same old same old over and over. & nbsp; (You must not be married <BR> & gt; heh heh) & nbsp; & nbsp; Most great teachers, such as Buddha and Jesus and <BR> others, <BR> & gt; did not spring from 'thin air' - - but they arose from some great <BR> & gt; long standing tradition. <BR> <BR> That is totally your interpretation about how things arise.<BR> <BR> You yourself are an arising, and can't make sense<BR> & nbsp; of yourself arising, so how can you hope to<BR> & nbsp; make sense of how others have arisen?<BR> <BR> & nbsp; Either they arose to rejuvinate or <BR> & gt; resusitate the tradition, or in the case of Gautama he began a <BR> whole <BR> & gt; new thread.<BR> <BR> No, others began a new thread after writing down<BR> & nbsp; things about him and what he had said.<BR> <BR> & gt; & gt; They weren't living in such a way as to imagine<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; things being brought forward in time and imposed<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; on yet-to-come moments.<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Do not place limits on anyone, that is not your job.<BR> <BR> I am not placing limits on them.<BR> <BR> I am the life of them, and of you, and of Dan.<BR> <BR> The limits I give to them, and Dan, and you,<BR> & nbsp; are the limits that allow your form to breathe.<BR> <BR> -- Life<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Dear Dan Im really sorry.......... I just reread this mail.(the latter part of it) Do you really believe that you are that Life. I see a lot more confidence in your approach from when I was here last time. Has it sprung from experience? Has IT happened . Dan? If so, Im gonna from the group once and for all. You're probably a more compassionate m-b-o than me anyway and definitely a much better communicator. :-) ----- THAT as is expressed through Anand. --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Nisargadatta, & quot;trem23 & quot; & lt;inmadison@h... & gt; wrote:<BR> & gt; Nisargadatta, & quot;dan330033 & quot; & lt;dan330033 & gt; wrote:<BR> & gt; & gt; They seem to you to point toward<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; permanence because you are reading these texts<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; as if there were somewhere for you to be pointed.<BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Bingo by Jove I've think you got it.<BR> <BR> That's a big assumption you're making there, about<BR> & nbsp; there being somewhere you're being pointed to.<BR> <BR> Look into the assumption, rather than looking to<BR> & nbsp; get to where you think you're being pointed.<BR> <BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; By the way, in your readings, did you miss that the<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; central teaching of Buddhism is impermanence<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; and non-identity?<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Yes I missed that - or should I qualify: I did get that one can not <BR> & gt; find permanence or identity in a world subject to change. & nbsp; You <BR> & gt; gotta' look in the Great Elsewhere <BR> <BR> & quot;The Great Elsewhere & quot; is merely an idea arising.<BR> That idea is transient.<BR> <BR> You imagine yourself being able to look elsewhere,<BR> & nbsp; but what needs to be looked into is the & quot;looker. & quot;<BR> <BR> The looker is an imagined continuing entity, moment<BR> & nbsp; to moment. & nbsp; Peace is the dissolution of the assumptions<BR> & nbsp; that construct the & quot;looker & quot; as apart from & quot;what is being<BR> & nbsp; looked for. & quot;<BR> <BR> & gt; & nbsp; <BR> & gt; & gt; Of course, all of the texts we have about these<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; folk's teachings<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; are stories, are myths, are stories.<BR> & gt; & gt; A story can't give what is-not-story.<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; A story can't give anything - it all depends on what the reader <BR> & gt; brings to the book. & nbsp; Everytime one glides though & quot;I AM THAT & quot; for <BR> & gt; example, they should be a different person. & nbsp; The knowledge of any <BR> & gt; book stays in the book.<BR> <BR> Yes, this is so.<BR> <BR> When I am That glides through you,<BR> & nbsp; then it won't matter what it says.<BR> <BR> When the you that I am That is gliding through,<BR> & nbsp; glides through, there will be nowhere for you<BR> & nbsp; to be or not to be.<BR> <BR> snip<BR> <BR> & gt; & gt; Jesus and Gautama were not trying to write down truisms to be<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; brought forward in time and applied to other<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; situations.<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Jesus made it very clear He came to fulfill the prophesies of the <BR> & gt; Old Testemant, and that His knowledge was suitable & quot;for all <BR> & gt; nations & quot;. <BR> <BR> No.<BR> <BR> You don't know what Jesus made clear or didn't make clear.<BR> <BR> You only know what you've brought to your reading<BR> & nbsp; of writings that others made about him, after<BR> & nbsp; he was dead.<BR> <BR> <BR> Gautama was less aggressive - but He also felt compelled <BR> & gt; to share what He had learned. <BR> <BR> How do you know that feeling compelled had anything<BR> & nbsp; to do with it?<BR> <BR> Besides, there aren't new situations, <BR> & gt; just the same old same old over and over. & nbsp; (You must not be married <BR> & gt; heh heh) & nbsp; & nbsp; Most great teachers, such as Buddha and Jesus and <BR> others, <BR> & gt; did not spring from 'thin air' - - but they arose from some great <BR> & gt; long standing tradition. <BR> <BR> That is totally your interpretation about how things arise.<BR> <BR> You yourself are an arising, and can't make sense<BR> & nbsp; of yourself arising, so how can you hope to<BR> & nbsp; make sense of how others have arisen?<BR> <BR> & nbsp; Either they arose to rejuvinate or <BR> & gt; resusitate the tradition, or in the case of Gautama he began a <BR> whole <BR> & gt; new thread.<BR> <BR> No, others began a new thread after writing down<BR> & nbsp; things about him and what he had said.<BR> <BR> & gt; & gt; They weren't living in such a way as to imagine<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; things being brought forward in time and imposed<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; on yet-to-come moments.<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Do not place limits on anyone, that is not your job.<BR> <BR> I am not placing limits on them.<BR> <BR> I am the life of them, and of you, and of Dan.<BR> <BR> The limits I give to them, and Dan, and you,<BR> & nbsp; are the limits that allow your form to breathe.<BR> <BR> -- Life<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 - Anand Eswaran Nisargadatta Friday, October 18, 2002 4:42 PM Re: Re: The Top Hey Judi, As another self-realized person on this list, it'ssure nice to hear from you :-)-----Anand. ********* Yeah, sure, you keep telling yourself that and you never will. Smart asses don't get realized Anand. God is picky about who he takes. Judi --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: > Danwrote:> > "The Great Elsewhere" is merely an idea arising.> That idea is transient.> > You imagine yourself being able to look elsewhere,> but what needs to be looked into is the "looker."> > ****** Bingo! Yes, he's living in his imagination> (pie in the sky) which is but suffering itself, like> duh???, INSTEAD of looking to what he's doing (who> he *is*) in the first place!> > > > This is a list for realizers and mature humans who> aspire to such realization. It is for those that> have been around the block one too many times and> are now ready and willing to really start looking at> the truth of and in themselves, at the ignorant> suffering that's keeping them mired in the "seeker"> identity and role. This is not a refuge for the> emotionally immature or for those with psychological> problems to work out -- the inveterate> self-improvers, the humor-impaired, the "New Age"> spirituality hobbyists and those merely seeking> attention by gabbing about how blissful, happy,> loving, smart, or even how dumb they think they are> simply need not apply here. > > This is a list for those ready to cut through their> own games, for those willing to wholeheartedly put> themselves on the line for the undermining and the> understanding of that whole nonsensical separate> adventure in its entirety -- and it's for sharing> the humor, the love, and the pure joy of finally> realizing our true, newborn perceptual condition, a> state that is not separation, but rather wholeness,> freedom, consciousness itself. > > > To those with hearts so moved, we invite you. > > > Welcome Home. > > TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/> > ______________________Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 --- Anand Eswaran <anandesw wrote: > Dear Dan > > Im really sorry.......... > > I just reread this mail.(the latter part of it) > > Do you really believe that you are that Life. > I see a lot more confidence in your approach from > when > I was here last time. Has it sprung from experience? > > > Has IT happened . Dan? > > If so, Im gonna from the group once and > for all. > > You're probably a more compassionate m-b-o than > me > anyway and definitely a much better communicator. > :-) > > ----- > THAT as is expressed through Anand. Please Anan, don't . You are a wonderful example of self-delusion. Where are we going to find more pathetic examples than your messages to Dan And Judy? We need you as a warning, buddy. " Beware, or you could become another Anan, " we would say to our friends. Scary shit! I kiss the hem of your robe, Maha-Maya Swami Pete Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > I assure you , folks, this guy doesn't know what he's > talking about > ----- > Anand. How could he? If he could, then he'd be someone speaking of something he knows about. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 :-) ---- Anand. I sure am picky! --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: > > > - > Anand Eswaran > Nisargadatta > Friday, October 18, 2002 4:42 PM > Re: Re: The Top > > > Hey Judi, > > As another self-realized person on this list, > it's > sure nice to hear from you :-) > ----- > Anand. > > ********* Yeah, sure, you keep telling yourself > that and you never will. > Smart asses don't get realized Anand. God is picky > about who he takes. > > Judi > > > --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: > > Dan > wrote: > > > > " The Great Elsewhere " is merely an idea arising. > > That idea is transient. > > > > You imagine yourself being able to look > elsewhere, > > but what needs to be looked into is the > " looker. " > > > > ****** Bingo! Yes, he's living in his > imagination > > (pie in the sky) which is but suffering itself, > like > > duh???, INSTEAD of looking to what he's doing > (who > > he *is*) in the first place! > > > > > > > > This is a list for realizers and mature humans > who > > aspire to such realization. It is for those that > > have been around the block one too many times > and > > are now ready and willing to really start > looking at > > the truth of and in themselves, at the ignorant > > suffering that's keeping them mired in the > " seeker " > > identity and role. This is not a refuge for the > > emotionally immature or for those with > psychological > > problems to work out -- the inveterate > > self-improvers, the humor-impaired, the " New > Age " > > spirituality hobbyists and those merely seeking > > attention by gabbing about how blissful, happy, > > loving, smart, or even how dumb they think they > are > > simply need not apply here. > > > > This is a list for those ready to cut through > their > > own games, for those willing to wholeheartedly > put > > themselves on the line for the undermining and > the > > understanding of that whole nonsensical separate > > adventure in its entirety -- and it's for > sharing > > the humor, the love, and the pure joy of finally > > realizing our true, newborn perceptual > condition, a > > state that is not separation, but rather > wholeness, > > freedom, consciousness itself. > > > > > > To those with hearts so moved, we invite you. > > > > > > Welcome Home. > > > > > TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ > > > > > > > ______________________ > Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try > the new, TV. > visit http://in.tv. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > :-) > ---- > Anand. > I sure am picky! > ******** Thanks for giving me yet another reason to be grateful, every morning when I wake up I can say, I'm sure glad I'm glad I'm not that stupid fuck Anand! :-) Judi > > --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > > - > > Anand Eswaran > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, October 18, 2002 4:42 PM > > Re: Re: The Top > > > > > > Hey Judi, > > > > As another self-realized person on this list, > > it's > > sure nice to hear from you :-) > > ----- > > Anand. > > > > ********* Yeah, sure, you keep telling yourself > > that and you never will. > > Smart asses don't get realized Anand. God is picky > > about who he takes. > > > > Judi > > > > > > --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > Dan > > wrote: > > > > > > " The Great Elsewhere " is merely an idea arising. > > > That idea is transient. > > > > > > You imagine yourself being able to look > > elsewhere, > > > but what needs to be looked into is the > > " looker. " > > > > > > ****** Bingo! Yes, he's living in his > > imagination > > > (pie in the sky) which is but suffering itself, > > like > > > duh???, INSTEAD of looking to what he's doing > > (who > > > he *is*) in the first place! > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a list for realizers and mature humans > > who > > > aspire to such realization. It is for those that > > > have been around the block one too many times > > and > > > are now ready and willing to really start > > looking at > > > the truth of and in themselves, at the ignorant > > > suffering that's keeping them mired in the > > " seeker " > > > identity and role. This is not a refuge for the > > > emotionally immature or for those with > > psychological > > > problems to work out -- the inveterate > > > self-improvers, the humor-impaired, the " New > > Age " > > > spirituality hobbyists and those merely seeking > > > attention by gabbing about how blissful, happy, > > > loving, smart, or even how dumb they think they > > are > > > simply need not apply here. > > > > > > This is a list for those ready to cut through > > their > > > own games, for those willing to wholeheartedly > > put > > > themselves on the line for the undermining and > > the > > > understanding of that whole nonsensical separate > > > adventure in its entirety -- and it's for > > sharing > > > the humor, the love, and the pure joy of finally > > > realizing our true, newborn perceptual > > condition, a > > > state that is not separation, but rather > > wholeness, > > > freedom, consciousness itself. > > > > > > > > > To those with hearts so moved, we invite you. > > > > > > > > > Welcome Home. > > > > > > > > TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try > > the new, TV. > > visit http://in.tv. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Glad to contribute to your happiness, :-) ---- Anand. PS: And you are one with Anand, as everyone is. --- judirhodes <judirhodes wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran & lt;anandesw & gt; wrote:<BR> & gt; :-)<BR> & gt; ----<BR> & gt; Anand.<BR> & gt; I sure am picky!<BR> & gt; <BR> ******** Thanks for giving me yet another reason to be grateful, <BR> every morning when I wake up I can say, I'm sure glad I'm glad I'm <BR> not that stupid fuck Anand! :-)<BR> <BR> Judi<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; & nbsp; --- Judi Rhodes & lt;judirhodes@z... & gt; wrote: & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; - <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Anand Eswaran <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Nisargadatta <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Friday, October 18, 2002 4:42 PM<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Re: Re: The Top<BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Hey Judi,<BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; As another self-realized person on this list,<BR> & gt; & gt; it's<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; sure nice to hear from you & nbsp; :-)<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; -----<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Anand.<BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; ********* Yeah, sure, you keep telling yourself<BR> & gt; & gt; that and you never will.<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Smart asses don't get realized Anand. God is picky<BR> & gt; & gt; about who he takes.<BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Judi<BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; --- Judi Rhodes & lt;judirhodes@z... & gt; wrote: & gt;<BR> & gt; & gt; Dan<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; wrote:<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & quot;The Great Elsewhere & quot; is merely an idea arising.<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; That idea is transient.<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; You imagine yourself being able to look<BR> & gt; & gt; elsewhere,<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; but what needs to be looked into is the<BR> & gt; & gt; & quot;looker. & quot;<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; ****** Bingo! & nbsp; Yes, he's living in his<BR> & gt; & gt; imagination<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; (pie in the sky) which is but suffering itself,<BR> & gt; & gt; like<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; duh???, INSTEAD of looking to what he's doing<BR> & gt; & gt; (who<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; he *is*) in the first place!<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; This is a list for realizers and mature humans<BR> & gt; & gt; who<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; aspire to such realization. It is for those that<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; have been around the block one too many times<BR> & gt; & gt; and<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; are now ready and willing to really start<BR> & gt; & gt; looking at<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; the truth of and in themselves, at the ignorant<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; suffering that's keeping them mired in the<BR> & gt; & gt; & quot;seeker & quot;<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; identity and role. This is not a refuge for the<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; emotionally immature or for those with<BR> & gt; & gt; psychological<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; problems to work out -- the inveterate<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; self-improvers, the humor-impaired, the & quot;New<BR> & gt; & gt; Age & quot;<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; spirituality hobbyists and those merely seeking<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; attention by gabbing about how blissful, happy,<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; loving, smart, or even how dumb they think they<BR> & gt; & gt; are<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; simply need not apply here. <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; This is a list for those ready to cut through<BR> & gt; & gt; their<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; own games, for those willing to wholeheartedly<BR> & gt; & gt; put<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; themselves on the line for the undermining and<BR> & gt; & gt; the<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; understanding of that whole nonsensical separate<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; adventure in its entirety -- and it's for<BR> & gt; & gt; sharing<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; the humor, the love, and the pure joy of finally<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; realizing our true, newborn perceptual<BR> & gt; & gt; condition, a<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; state that is not separation, but rather<BR> & gt; & gt; wholeness,<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; freedom, consciousness itself. <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; To those with hearts so moved, we invite you. <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; Welcome Home. <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt;<BR> & gt; & gt; <a href= " TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ " >http://groups..c\ omTheEndOfTheRopeRanch/</a><BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & gt; & nbsp; <BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR> & gt; & gt;<BR> & gt; <BR> ____________________<BR> __<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try<BR> & gt; & gt; the new, TV.<BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; visit <a href= " http://in.tv. " >http://in.tv.</a><BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; <BR> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 - Anand Eswaran Nisargadatta Saturday, October 19, 2002 3:32 PM Re: Re: The Top Glad to contribute to your happiness, :-)----Anand.PS: And you are one with Anand, as everyone is. ***** In your dreams white boy, you're not one with anything! Nice little doggie, you just keep telling yourself that though, ya'here? And Santa Claus is coming too. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Hi Anand -- > Im really sorry.......... > > I just reread this mail.(the latter part of it) > > Do you really believe that you are that Life. Life is not belief. > I see a lot more confidence in your approach from when > I was here last time. Has it sprung from experience? Ask Jimi Hendrix. > Has IT happened . Dan? What are you waiting for, Anand? > If so, Im gonna from the group once and > for all. Why so busy making plans? > You're probably a more compassionate m-b-o than me > anyway and definitely a much better communicator. :-) I wouldn't know ... > THAT as is expressed through Anand. Find out what isn't being expressed through Anand. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Pls refer to the prev mail. If u can , try to believ that I was being honest. ----- Anand. --- Judi Rhodes <judirhodes wrote: > > > - > Anand Eswaran > Nisargadatta > Saturday, October 19, 2002 3:32 PM > Re: Re: The Top > > > Glad to contribute to your happiness, :-) > ---- > Anand. > > PS: And you are one with Anand, as everyone is. > > ***** In your dreams white boy, you're not one > with anything! > Nice little doggie, you just keep telling yourself > that though, ya'here? > And Santa Claus is coming too. > > Judi > > > > ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 He who needs no crutch, no guru , he is the happiest of them all. The confidence arises from experience.period. Until the experience, all the words means nothing , after the experience, it's bullshit( not again!:-) ) anyway. Could anything get crueler? ----- Anand. --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: <HR> <html><body> <tt> Hi Anand --<BR> <BR> & gt; Im really sorry..........<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; I just reread this mail.(the latter part of it)<BR> & gt; <BR> & gt; Do you really believe that you are that Life.<BR> <BR> Life is not belief.<BR> <BR> & gt; I see a lot more confidence in your approach from when<BR> & gt; I was here last time. Has it sprung from experience? <BR> <BR> Ask Jimi Hendrix.<BR> <BR> & gt; Has IT happened . Dan?<BR> <BR> What are you waiting for, Anand?<BR> <BR> & gt; If so, Im gonna from the group once and<BR> & gt; for all.<BR> <BR> Why so busy making plans?<BR> <BR> & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; You're probably a more compassionate m-b-o than me<BR> & gt; anyway and definitely a much better communicator. :-)<BR> <BR> I wouldn't know ...<BR> <BR> <BR> & gt; THAT as is expressed through Anand.<BR> <BR> Find out what isn't being expressed through Anand.<BR> <BR> -- Dan<BR> <BR> </tt> <br> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote: > He who needs no crutch, no guru , he is the > happiest of them all. > The confidence arises from experience.period. > Until the experience, all the words means nothing , > after the experience, it's bullshit( not again!:-) ) > anyway. > > Could anything get crueler? > > ----- > Anand. Anand -- you go, guy. Have your " the experience " ... Be That, and be one with everyone. And when the stuff wears off, check yourself out ... Kindly, Dan -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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