Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 Silence/Awareness as a sanctuary With progress in understanding of what I am and in acceptance ... my most basic reflexes and habits have changed. Up comes an unpleasant situation ... instead of bringing in a fearful or frustrated 'me' you find the silence/awareness coming from the background into the foreground. The situation immediately takes on a neutral posture, not threatening anymore. Up comes a pleasant situation and the same thing happens. Anyone else have such experiences? Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 mine come in inconsistent blurts. im driving and realize that i occupy every point of spatial and temporal relativity in the unviverse. i get into bed with my sleeping wife and stop wondering about life. im looking at someones face and almost burst out laughing at the silliness of my own interpretions. its always a friggin epiphany when it happens but none of it seems very special the next day, check it out i just had another one. I was too hot so i opened the door to let some cold air in and even though i could feel the cold air i had the sense that nothin happened. just sharing....and curious about other people's experiences, and maybe a bit bottled up, and looking for a teacher and a bunch of other stuff, sorry, m. _______________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 All the time, Jan. It's what the military call, remaining cool under fire. The generals,that is. The soldiers call it jogones ( balls) One of sypmtons of the illness is fearlessness and detachment. You loose money, and of course for a few seconds the usual unpleasant reaction appears, but then a deep indifference sets in, and the incident is forgotten. You find money and a smile comes to your lips, but then the same indifference sets in, and the incident is forgotten too. Nothing sticks on a Teflon coated brain. Pete --- Jan Sultan <swork wrote: > Silence/Awareness as a sanctuary > > With progress in understanding of what I am and in > acceptance ... my most > basic reflexes and habits have changed. > > Up comes an unpleasant situation ... instead of > bringing in a fearful or > frustrated 'me' you find the silence/awareness > coming from the background > into the foreground. The situation immediately takes > on a neutral posture, > not threatening anymore. > > Up comes a pleasant situation and the same thing > happens. > > Anyone else have such experiences? > > Jan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 >Jan Sultan <swork >Nisargadatta > Silence/Awareness as a sanctuary >Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:24:47 +0300 [Jan wrote] >Up comes an unpleasant situation ... instead of bringing in a fearful >or >frustrated 'me' you find the silence/awareness coming from the >background >into the foreground. Anyone else have such experiences? Hi Jan, My few bits, as the beat goes on and on.... It appears you're talking of an experience, a state of division or duality, indicated by your words - background and foreground. " What is " is quite a different matter - it's unitary and doesn't depend on whether there is experience or not. In fact by it's very nature it can't be grasped or experienced. The river of life is eternally flowing, it's freshness will always elude you and anyone else. Why not enjoy this aroma without trying to know it or posess it ? All experiences, conclusions and answers are trying to grasp at this elusive -what is-. It's all a deception, a protective mechanism from this shattering unavoidable fact which creates discomfort and fear in us. -What is- is " eternally " fleeting, " permanently " changing, " nirvana " samsara, and " eternally " renewing itself. No division... Got it! Look here, whether you're around on not, " people " will always be. The human species will " permanently " survive but the individual will disappear and " change " . Is there a problem here? " You " (the illusion) continue via your offsprings and not the usual horsesh*t that something called eternal soul survives and re-incarnates In other words: People - the group - is eternal. Even if Saddam blows the whole thing apart and you body eventually becomes food for insects, the trees, flowers, plants which have survived for millions of years and will continue forever. (and I understand now there are more beautiful flowers based of genetic natural selection) There is no " background " silence or Brahman in which " foreground " activity of the atman occurs. The traditions such as Advaita-Vedanta among others are full of such " background " metaphors and models that motivates you to seek such an enticing background of freedom and comfort. The irony is - when freedom truly is there is no " You " . Maybe seeking, though futile, is a necessary activity, I really don't know. However, those few who stumbled and awakened to clarity that Brahman is atman, Nivrana is samsara Shiva is shakti, seemed to have made a tremendous effort, seeking intensely (whether it was for the Beloved as in Kabir's case, Enquiry of Ramana or Zen Koans) before the search was relinquished in utter frustration. Until you reach that point of devestation, agony and complete despair, where a situation may occur, you'll be taken for a ride, pursuing something behind and beyond the scenes that in fact don't exist at all. Enjoying the ride ~dave _______________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 I like what you wrote, Dave. Sounds like a plan! Pete --- Dave Sirjue <davesirjue wrote: > > > >Jan Sultan <swork > >Nisargadatta > > Silence/Awareness as a > sanctuary > >Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:24:47 +0300 > > [Jan wrote] > > >Up comes an unpleasant situation ... instead of > bringing in a fearful >or > >frustrated 'me' you find the silence/awareness > coming from the >background > >into the foreground. Anyone else have such > experiences? > > Hi Jan, > > My few bits, as the beat goes on and on.... > > It appears you're talking of an experience, > a state of division or duality, indicated by your > words - background and foreground. > > " What is " is quite a different matter > - it's unitary and doesn't depend > on whether there is experience or not. > In fact by it's very nature it can't be > grasped or experienced. > > The river of life is eternally flowing, > it's freshness will always elude you and > anyone else. Why not enjoy this aroma > without trying to know it or posess it ? > > All experiences, conclusions and answers > are trying to grasp at this elusive -what is-. > It's all a deception, a protective mechanism > from this shattering unavoidable fact which > creates discomfort and fear in us. > > -What is- is " eternally " fleeting, > " permanently " changing, " nirvana " samsara, > and " eternally " renewing itself. > No division... Got it! > > Look here, whether you're around on not, > " people " will always be. The human species will > " permanently " survive but the individual will > disappear and " change " . Is there a problem here? > " You " (the illusion) continue via your offsprings > and not the usual horsesh*t that something called > eternal soul survives and re-incarnates > > In other words: People - the group - is eternal. > > Even if Saddam blows the whole thing apart and > you body eventually becomes food for insects, > the trees, flowers, plants which have survived for > millions of years and will continue forever. > (and I understand now there are more beautiful > flowers based of genetic natural selection) > > There is no " background " silence or Brahman in > which " foreground " activity of the atman occurs. > The traditions such as Advaita-Vedanta among > others are full of such " background " metaphors > and models that motivates you to seek such an > enticing background of freedom and comfort. > > The irony is - when freedom truly is > there is no " You " . Maybe seeking, > though futile, is a necessary activity, > I really don't know. > > However, those few who stumbled and awakened > to clarity that Brahman is atman, Nivrana is samsara > Shiva is shakti, seemed to have made a tremendous > effort, seeking intensely (whether it was for the > Beloved > as in Kabir's case, Enquiry of Ramana or Zen Koans) > before the search was relinquished in utter > frustration. > > Until you reach that point of devestation, agony > and complete despair, where a situation may occur, > you'll be taken for a ride, pursuing something > behind > and beyond the scenes that in fact don't exist at > all. > > Enjoying the ride > ~dave > > > _______________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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