Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Nisargadatta, pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: > Do you care what your doctor does at home? If he > smokes, drinks, cheats on his wife is that a concern > for you? I hope not. > > If you have a heart attack on a sidewalk, do you > inquire whether the person about to give you CPR is > virtuous or not? > > The Absolute, maybe because it incarnates everyone, > doesn't seem too picky about its mouthpieces. Most > so called realized people we come in contact with, say > or write very foolish things on occasions. > > Going to one shouldn't be any different than going to > a grocery store, we should expect to find all kind of > quality levels in their products, and is up to us to > pick and choose. > > Faith, and the infallibility of priest and gurus are > simply tools of power invented to > safeguard religious teachers from their mistakes, and > to prevent embarrazing questions. Trust no one, reject > wisdom from no one. It's the wine that counts, not the > cup. > > Virtue, wonderful as it is, is a social invention. > The Absolute doesn't demand virtue before revealing > itsels like a prostitute demanding payment before sex. > > > The Absolute doesn't make a permanent commitment to > anyone, it could choose you today, and discard you > tomorrow. Call no man enlightened, happy, or a saint > before his death. > > Pete > > Pete: I was wondering how you were going to get your fat out of the fire. Good job. Except " you " don't pick choose your guru. " You " are your conditioning and your conditioning chooses guru. Which most often parallels some authority figure in childhood. i.e. a father figure embodying qualitites you respected in your father. i.e. a mother figure embodying qualitites you abhored in your mother. Etc. Irregardless, as SNM puts it, if you find yourself turning to gold, it was a good choice, for you, even if " you " didn't make it. El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Nisargadatta, " el_wells_2003 " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: > > Do you care what your doctor does at home? If he > > smokes, drinks, cheats on his wife is that a concern > > for you? I hope not. > > > > If you have a heart attack on a sidewalk, do you > > inquire whether the person about to give you CPR is > > virtuous or not? > > > > The Absolute, maybe because it incarnates everyone, > > doesn't seem too picky about its mouthpieces. Most > > so called realized people we come in contact with, say > > or write very foolish things on occasions. > > > > Going to one shouldn't be any different than going to > > a grocery store, we should expect to find all kind of > > quality levels in their products, and is up to us to > > pick and choose. > > > > Faith, and the infallibility of priest and gurus are > > simply tools of power invented to > > safeguard religious teachers from their mistakes, and > > to prevent embarrazing questions. Trust no one, reject > > wisdom from no one. It's the wine that counts, not the > > cup. > > > > Virtue, wonderful as it is, is a social invention. > > The Absolute doesn't demand virtue before revealing > > itsels like a prostitute demanding payment before sex. > > > > > > The Absolute doesn't make a permanent commitment to > > anyone, it could choose you today, and discard you > > tomorrow. Call no man enlightened, happy, or a saint > > before his death. > > > > Pete > > > > > > Pete: > > I was wondering how you were going to get your fat out of the fire. > > Good job. > > Except " you " don't pick choose your guru. > > " You " are your conditioning and your conditioning chooses guru. > > Which most often parallels some authority figure in childhood. > > i.e. a father figure embodying qualitites you respected in your > father. > i.e. a mother figure embodying qualitites you abhored in your > mother. > Etc. > > Irregardless, as SNM puts it, > if you find yourself turning to gold, > it was a good choice, for you, > even if " you " didn't make it. > > El ---------------- Too many quotes in here. A bit confusing but I think you get the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Hi El, I love it! You are back. Yeah, that. Imaginary fat don't burn. You are right, we pick, or don't, find or don't according to our conditioning, but while we can't escape our parents because we'll always carry their genes and upbringing, we can walk away from lack of results, if we don't kid ourselves with a lot of saintly bulshit. What can I tell you? Some people love con-artists and are willing to pay for the previlege of being conned. I missed you, Pete -- In Nisargadatta, " el_wells_2003 " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " el_wells_2003 " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta, pete seesaw <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > Do you care what your doctor does at home? If he > > > smokes, drinks, cheats on his wife is that a concern > > > for you? I hope not. > > > > > > If you have a heart attack on a sidewalk, do you > > > inquire whether the person about to give you CPR is > > > virtuous or not? > > > > > > The Absolute, maybe because it incarnates everyone, > > > doesn't seem too picky about its mouthpieces. Most > > > so called realized people we come in contact with, say > > > or write very foolish things on occasions. > > > > > > Going to one shouldn't be any different than going to > > > a grocery store, we should expect to find all kind of > > > quality levels in their products, and is up to us to > > > pick and choose. > > > > > > Faith, and the infallibility of priest and gurus are > > > simply tools of power invented to > > > safeguard religious teachers from their mistakes, and > > > to prevent embarrazing questions. Trust no one, reject > > > wisdom from no one. It's the wine that counts, not the > > > cup. > > > > > > Virtue, wonderful as it is, is a social invention. > > > The Absolute doesn't demand virtue before revealing > > > itsels like a prostitute demanding payment before sex. > > > > > > > > > The Absolute doesn't make a permanent commitment to > > > anyone, it could choose you today, and discard you > > > tomorrow. Call no man enlightened, happy, or a saint > > > before his death. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > Pete: > > > > I was wondering how you were going to get your fat out of the > fire. > > > > Good job. > > > > Except " you " don't pick choose your guru. > > > > " You " are your conditioning and your conditioning chooses > guru. > > > > Which most often parallels some authority figure in childhood. > > > > i.e. a father figure embodying qualitites you respected in your > > father. > > i.e. a mother figure embodying qualitites you abhored in your > > mother. > > Etc. > > > > Irregardless, as SNM puts it, > > if you find yourself turning to gold, > > it was a good choice, for you, > > even if " you " didn't make it. > > > > El > > ---------------- > > Too many quotes in here. > A bit confusing but I think you get the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Nisargadatta, " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > with a lot of saintly bulshit. What can I tell you? Some people love > con-artists and are willing to pay for the previlege of being > conned. it's the privilege of experiencing peace in a guru presence. take osho for example. some people regard him as a con-artist. i'm sure many rational, intellectual seekers were surprised themselves when osho appeared as their guru. perhaps it showed them they didn't choose their guru. when we meet a live guru in person, it really has very little to do with what the guru says. the guru can chant a fantasy scripture from an imaginary language, supposedly passed down by angels. what counts is the peace we experience in this live guru's presence. this is the main difference between reading the impersonal teachings of great advaita gurus on paper and meeting them in the physical form. hur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Hur Guler " <hurg> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > with a lot of saintly bulshit. What can I tell you? Some people > love > > con-artists and are willing to pay for the previlege of being > > conned. > > it's the privilege of experiencing peace in a guru presence. take > osho for example. some people regard him as a con-artist. i'm sure > many rational, intellectual seekers were surprised themselves when > osho appeared as their guru. perhaps it showed them they didn't > choose their guru. when we meet a live guru in person, it really has > very little to do with what the guru says. the guru can chant a > fantasy scripture from an imaginary language, supposedly passed down > by angels. what counts is the peace we experience in this live > guru's presence. this is the main difference between reading the > impersonal teachings of great advaita gurus on paper and meeting them > in the physical form. > > hur --------------- Nice, hur. However you cut it, in the presence of the Real Thing, " you " are absent, and that is PEACE. El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 what counts is the peace we experience > in this live > guru's presence. this is the main difference > between reading the > impersonal teachings of great advaita gurus on paper > and meeting them > in the physical form. Hi Hurg, You are right. Anything we charge with faith could trigger a breakthrough. In faith we drop defensesnces, suspend our critical faculties, become open to change. A little statue of a deity, a guru who might be nothing but a performer selling mystical Disneyland might trigger an ephifany. A sugar pill might trigger a cure. We don't choose, or know which things or people are triggers for us, and can count ourselves lucky if we ever find them. But this things happen quickly. Why hand around, hoping against hope while our pockets are being pick? Pete Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 > > --------------- > > Nice, hur. > > However you cut it, > in the presence of the Real Thing, > " you " are absent, > and that is PEACE. > > El ------- Is that why i swoon into samadhi while drinking Pepsi? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Nisargadatta, " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > > --------------- > > > > Nice, hur. > > > > However you cut it, > > in the presence of the Real Thing, > > " you " are absent, > > and that is PEACE. > > > > El > ------- > > Is that why i swoon into samadhi > while drinking Pepsi? > > Pete ------------- I really can't say. Never was a Pepsi drinker. Nor was I big on Samadhi. Nice while it lasts, but who cares, doesn't last. My interest was in what does not change. And it never cost me a dime. Everything came to me, unexpected, unasked for. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 > > ------------- > > I really can't say. > Never was a Pepsi drinker. > Nor was I big on Samadhi. > Nice while it lasts, but who cares, doesn't last. > My interest was in what does not change. > And it never cost me a dime. > Everything came to me, unexpected, unasked for. Past tense and 'doesn't change', do they mix Well? What's happening now, brown cow? Nothing? Nothing is cool! Mixes well with everything. Love you both, P Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Boy, are you ever confused! It's Coke this is The Real Thing. But that's what these groups are for; to help clear up these little confusions. -Bill seesaw1us [seesaw1us] Friday, November 22, 2002 8:22 AM Nisargadatta Re: Virtue & Wisdom > > --------------- > > Nice, hur. > > However you cut it, > in the presence of the Real Thing, > " you " are absent, > and that is PEACE. > > El ------- Is that why i swoon into samadhi while drinking Pepsi? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 LOL. Thanks Bill, goes to show you how similar the real and the false are! Wasn't the Buddha who said?: " Coke is Pepsi; Pepsi, Coke! " Pete --- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote: > Boy, are you ever confused! > It's Coke this is The Real Thing. > > But that's what these groups are > for; to help clear up these little > confusions. > > -Bill > > > seesaw1us [seesaw1us] > Friday, November 22, 2002 8:22 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Virtue & Wisdom > > > > > > --------------- > > > > Nice, hur. > > > > However you cut it, > > in the presence of the Real Thing, > > " you " are absent, > > and that is PEACE. > > > > El > ------- > > Is that why i swoon into samadhi > while drinking Pepsi? > > Pete > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Nisargadatta, pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > > > ------------- > > > > I really can't say. > > Never was a Pepsi drinker. > > Nor was I big on Samadhi. > > Nice while it lasts, but who cares, doesn't last. > > My interest was in what does not change. > > And it never cost me a dime. > > Everything came to me, unexpected, unasked for. > > Past tense and 'doesn't change', do they mix Well? > > What's happening now, brown cow? > Nothing? Nothing is cool! Mixes well with everything. > > Love you both, > P What is happening now? What is happening in the buying and selling of " now " in the market place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 > > What is happening now? > > What is happening in > the buying and selling of " now " in the market place? ---- Wouldn't know about that, sweety. I neither sell nor buy. Now, begging isn't above me. Have anything for free? Love you still, Pete Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 _____________ > > What is happening now? > > > > What is happening in > > the buying and selling of " now " in the market place? El > > What is happening now?> ---- > Wouldn't know about that, sweety. I neither sell nor > buy. Now, begging isn't above me. Have anything for > free? > > Love you still, > > Pete > ______ Wrong answer. The answer is " nothing " without words. But then I wasn't speaking as a person. So I can see why you might have missed it. El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 No " right " answer either. -Bill el_wells_2003 [elwells8] Friday, November 22, 2002 11:41 AM Nisargadatta Re: Virtue & Wisdom _____________ > > What is happening now? > > > > What is happening in > > the buying and selling of " now " in the market place? El > > What is happening now?> ---- > Wouldn't know about that, sweety. I neither sell nor > buy. Now, begging isn't above me. Have anything for > free? > > Love you still, > > Pete > ______ Wrong answer. The answer is " nothing " without words. But then I wasn't speaking as a person. So I can see why you might have missed it. El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 > > Wrong answer. > The answer is " nothing " without words. > > But then I wasn't speaking as a person. > So I can see why you might have missed it. If you give me nothing, then, I'll take it. I think there is enough for both of us. Don't you think? Nothing sweet as sugar, black as chocolate always playing hide and seek. Pete Pete Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 I think there is enough for both of us. Don't you think? Pete No both of us. Just MYSELF. El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 I knew that! I love your Spartan ways, Keep it up, Pete --- el_wells_2003 <elwells8 wrote: > > I think there is enough for both of us. > Don't you think? > > Pete > > > No both of us. > > Just MYSELF. > > El > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Hi El -- Yes, talk is cheap. And with no other, what myself is there to be concerned about? At the sound of the gong, the words all fall off, Dan Nisargadatta, " el_wells_2003 " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > > I think there is enough for both of us. > Don't you think? > > Pete > > > No both of us. > > Just MYSELF. > > El > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Hi El -- > > Yes, talk is cheap. > > And with no other, what myself > is there to be concerned about? > > At the sound of the gong, > the words all fall off, > Dan > No gong. Right On. El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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