Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 All confusions are embedded in words. Without words what confusions could there be? -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > All confusions are embedded in words. > Without words what confusions could there be? > > -Bill --- Everything speaks. The rooster crowing here just before the sun comes up. Or as SNM once slammed an ashtray down, and it went " ping " . The scientists have recorded sounds of the various planets. Last week they played on the space weather site the sound of the Lenoids (meteors) as they entered earth's atmosphere. This morning there are high winds here, and the Oak Tree Leaves falling right now are whistling. The doves are going cooooo coooooooo .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Don't get me wrong, El. I like what you wrote, very poetic and true, but in all fairnes to Bill, what he wrote is true also, words are not mere sounds, at least to us humans, words have meanings, and meanings are like camilions, they change colors, when i say a simple phrase like: " let's get together. " in my mine that phrase is green, but in entering yours it might turn black with foreboding. Only those who have nothing to loose, have nothing to fear. Love Pete --- el_wells_2003 <elwells8 wrote: > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> > wrote: > > All confusions are embedded in words. > > Without words what confusions could there be? > > > > -Bill > > --- > > Everything speaks. > > The rooster crowing here just before the sun comes > up. > > Or as SNM once slammed an ashtray down, and it went > " ping " . > > The scientists have recorded sounds of the various > planets. > > Last week they played on the space weather site the > sound of > the Lenoids (meteors) as they entered earth's > atmosphere. > > This morning there are high winds here, > and the Oak Tree Leaves falling right now > are whistling. > > The doves are going cooooo coooooooo > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 ........words have meaning..... Pete -------------- Only to " you " . W/out " meaning " , where are " you " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 --- el_wells_2003 <elwells8 wrote: > .......words have meaning..... > Pete > -------------- > > Only to " you " . > > W/out " meaning " , where are " you " ? Don't be coy, Roy! You know where I am. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Hello Yaw'l, Bill, while there is truth in them thar Words, I wouldn't be ready and willing to say there is a relationship between words and confusion. There are those who not having words to say, may be confused but be unable to word it (our Prez comes to mind). Or those confused and don't even know it. Or those who have words, and are not confused - - so ... So I will begin by stating something that at first glance seems less fun and interesting: Confusion comes from having incomplete knowledge. By knowledge I don't mean just intellectual or book learnin', but that which is structured in consciousness...including experience, inference, feelings, compassion, etc. Confusion comes from an interpretation that differs from one's relationship with the object. So one might think the problem would go away if we stopped having interpretations - but I doubt that is possible or even worthwhile (as in death is not all it's cracked up to be). For example, in the dark I might be confused about the color of an object, but I don't think that is the confusion we are talking about. That's the confusion that adds spice to life. By Confusion don't we mean taking something to be real which is in fact unreal? That's the insipid nature of Confusion - to be Confused one's whole life and not even know it. Stun me Oh Lord out of this Confusion, confusedly yours, Larry Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > All confusions are embedded in words. > Without words what confusions could there be? > > -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 Nisargadatta, pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: > > --- el_wells_2003 <elwells8@e...> wrote: > > .......words have meaning..... > > Pete > > -------------- > > > > Only to " you " . > > > > W/out " meaning " , where are " you " ? El ------------------- > > Don't be coy, Roy! > You know where I am. > Pete ------------------ Yes. " I am " , without words. El ------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 Larry, > > trem23 [inmadison] > Hello Yaw'l, > > Bill, while there is truth in them thar Words, I wouldn't be ready > and willing to say there is a relationship between words and > confusion. > > There are those who not having words to say, may be confused but be > unable to word it (our Prez comes to mind). Or those confused and > don't even know it. Or those who have words, and are not confused - > - so ... So I will begin by stating something that at first glance > seems less fun and interesting: So can a deer be confused? Can a tiger be confused? My point is that confusion pertains to thought. Confusion is being wrapped up in thought. The opposite of confusion is peace, tranquility. When we step out of time into timelessness, into serenity, there is no confusion. [And words, concepts, time...I consider that those three all go together.] > > Confusion comes from having incomplete knowledge. > > By knowledge I don't mean just intellectual or book learnin', but > that which is structured in consciousness...including experience, > inference, feelings, compassion, etc. > > Confusion comes from an interpretation that differs from one's > relationship with the object. So one might think the problem would > go away if we stopped having interpretations - but I doubt that is > possible or even worthwhile (as in death is not all it's cracked up > to be). > > For example, in the dark I might be confused about the color of an > object, but I don't think that is the confusion we are talking > about. That's the confusion that adds spice to life. By Confusion > don't we mean taking something to be real which is in fact unreal? Yes. It is when our mind is lost, in effect. > That's the insipid nature of Confusion - to be Confused one's whole > life and not even know it. The insipid nature, and the very deep nature. In eastern religions they call it Ignorance. To me, clarity is a consequence of peace, not the other way around. I believe that confusion can be ended only by finding peace. Established in peace, clarity of mind comes of itself. And finding peace? It seems to me that peace can only be found in the heart. It is in my heart that I can *know* peace. It is in my heart that I can *be* peace. That's the beauty of the heart. It is very simple. Just gotta go there. -Bill > Stun me Oh Lord out of this Confusion, > confusedly yours, > Larry > > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > All confusions are embedded in words. > > Without words what confusions could there be? > > > > -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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