Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 The question " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion. Any value of inquiry into " Who Am I? " is not to find the answer to that question. It is to realize that the question is bogus. It is to kill the whole sense of something " behind " all this. The very notion of a Source is nonsense. Whether such Source be conceived as self, consciousness, God, whatever, if it is independent of This Appearance it is inherently dual. All concepts are created equal. There is no " higher " one. There is no higher anything in any absolute sense. There is only This Appearance. How hard is it to " settle " for only This? -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > The question " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion. > > Any value of inquiry into " Who Am I? " is not to find > the answer to that question. It is to realize that the > question is bogus. It is to kill the whole sense of something > " behind " all this. > > The very notion of a Source is nonsense. Whether such > Source be conceived as self, consciousness, God, whatever, > if it is independent of This Appearance it is inherently > dual. > > All concepts are created equal. There is no " higher " one. > There is no higher anything in any absolute sense. There > is only This Appearance. > > How hard is it to " settle " for only This? > > > -Bill --------------- Just Be .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 Exactly. el_wells_2003 [elwells8] Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:50 AM Nisargadatta Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > The question " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion. > > Any value of inquiry into " Who Am I? " is not to find > the answer to that question. It is to realize that the > question is bogus. It is to kill the whole sense of something > " behind " all this. > > The very notion of a Source is nonsense. Whether such > Source be conceived as self, consciousness, God, whatever, > if it is independent of This Appearance it is inherently > dual. > > All concepts are created equal. There is no " higher " one. > There is no higher anything in any absolute sense. There > is only This Appearance. > > How hard is it to " settle " for only This? > > > -Bill --------------- Just Be .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 Great post, Bill. Pete --- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote: > > The question " Who Am I? " is the invention of > illusion. > > Any value of inquiry into " Who Am I? " is not to find > the answer to that question. It is to realize that > the > question is bogus. It is to kill the whole sense of > something > " behind " all this. > > The very notion of a Source is nonsense. Whether > such > Source be conceived as self, consciousness, God, > whatever, > if it is independent of This Appearance it is > inherently > dual. > > All concepts are created equal. There is no " higher " > one. > There is no higher anything in any absolute sense. > There > is only This Appearance. > > How hard is it to " settle " for only This? > > > -Bill > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2002 Report Share Posted December 1, 2002 Bill, how about " What am I? " I like that one better... Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > The question " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion. > > Any value of inquiry into " Who Am I? " is not to find > the answer to that question. It is to realize that the > question is bogus. It is to kill the whole sense of something > " behind " all this. > > The very notion of a Source is nonsense. Whether such > Source be conceived as self, consciousness, God, whatever, > if it is independent of This Appearance it is inherently > dual. > > All concepts are created equal. There is no " higher " one. > There is no higher anything in any absolute sense. There > is only This Appearance. > > How hard is it to " settle " for only This? > > > -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2002 Report Share Posted December 1, 2002 or.. " What is it? " that is a good question for me. When running up against stuff or anytime really... justifiably curious re: whats happening I think it helps do uninvent illusion because when one asks, 'what is it'? re: whats happening now, then one can discover the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Or... " Wherefrom does this 'stuff' arising arise? " Note that any " stuff " so identified is thus identified as separate. So a " Wherefrom " or " What is it? " inquiry, by going to the so-called source of the " stuff " inherently leads to dis-illusion of the separateness of the " stuff " , whereupon we relax again into wholeness. -Bill Bondzai [bondzai] Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:46 AM Nisargadatta Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion or.. " What is it? " that is a good question for me. When running up against stuff or anytime really... justifiably curious re: whats happening I think it helps do uninvent illusion because when one asks, 'what is it'? re: whats happening now, then one can discover the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Allness has no questions, no statements, and no one existing apart who needs to know of it. Never has, never could, never will. Unobstructed stillness, in which sound isn't separable, movement isn't an event that occurs. Peace, Dan Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Or... " Wherefrom does this 'stuff' arising arise? " > > Note that any " stuff " so identified is thus > identified as separate. So a " Wherefrom " or > " What is it? " inquiry, by going to the so-called > source of the " stuff " inherently leads to dis-illusion > of the separateness of the " stuff " , whereupon we > relax again into wholeness. > > -Bill > > > Bondzai [bondzai] > Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:46 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion > > > or.. > > " What is it? " > > that is a good question for me. When running up against stuff or > anytime really... > > justifiably curious re: whats happening > > I think it helps do uninvent illusion because when one asks, 'what is > it'? re: whats happening now, then one can discover the truth. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 No Knowing. .. > Allness has no questions, no statements, > and no one existing apart who needs to > know of it. > > Never has, never could, never will. > > Unobstructed stillness, in which sound isn't > separable, movement isn't an event that occurs. > > Peace, > Dan > > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Or... " Wherefrom does this 'stuff' arising arise? " > > > > Note that any " stuff " so identified is thus > > identified as separate. So a " Wherefrom " or > > " What is it? " inquiry, by going to the so-called > > source of the " stuff " inherently leads to dis-illusion > > of the separateness of the " stuff " , whereupon we > > relax again into wholeness. > > > > -Bill > > > > Bondzai [bondzai] > > Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:46 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion > > > > > > or.. > > > > " What is it? " > > > > that is a good question for me. When running up against stuff or > > anytime really... > > > > justifiably curious re: whats happening > > > > I think it helps do uninvent illusion because when one asks, 'what > is > > it'? re: whats happening now, then one can discover the truth. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Great! That's the way, aha, i like it! Pete > Unobstructed stillness, in which sound isn't > separable, movement isn't an event that occurs. > > Peace, > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Yes, Dan. But people who haven't realized what you are speaking of need some other kind of language. If someone is struggling with " stuff " coming up for them, how does: Allness has no questions, no statements, and no one existing apart who needs to know of it. help them? I am looking for ways to communicate to the people who would not understand your message. -Bill dan330033 [dan330033] Monday, December 02, 2002 10:05 AM Nisargadatta Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion Allness has no questions, no statements, and no one existing apart who needs to know of it. Never has, never could, never will. Unobstructed stillness, in which sound isn't separable, movement isn't an event that occurs. Peace, Dan Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Or... " Wherefrom does this 'stuff' arising arise? " > > Note that any " stuff " so identified is thus > identified as separate. So a " Wherefrom " or > " What is it? " inquiry, by going to the so-called > source of the " stuff " inherently leads to dis-illusion > of the separateness of the " stuff " , whereupon we > relax again into wholeness. > > -Bill > > > Bondzai [bondzai] > Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:46 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion > > > or.. > > " What is it? " > > that is a good question for me. When running up against stuff or > anytime really... > > justifiably curious re: whats happening > > I think it helps do uninvent illusion because when one asks, 'what is > it'? re: whats happening now, then one can discover the truth. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Bill to Dan -- I am looking for ways to communicate to the people who would not understand your message. ---------------- Good Luck! .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Allness has no questions, no statements, > and no one existing apart who needs to > know of it. > > Never has, never could, never will. > > Unobstructed stillness, in which sound isn't > separable, movement isn't an event that occurs. > ok, but what about obstructed stillness... whatsupwiddat? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Dan is a psychologist, he can't help anyone LOL just charges money Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Yes, Dan. But people who haven't realized > what you are speaking of need some other > kind of language. > > If someone is struggling with " stuff " coming > up for them, how does: > Allness has no questions, no statements, > and no one existing apart who needs to > know of it. > help them? > > I am looking for ways to communicate to the > people who would not understand your message. > > -Bill > > > dan330033 [dan330033] > Monday, December 02, 2002 10:05 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion > > > Allness has no questions, no statements, > and no one existing apart who needs to > know of it. > > Never has, never could, never will. > > Unobstructed stillness, in which sound isn't > separable, movement isn't an event that occurs. > > Peace, > Dan > > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Or... " Wherefrom does this 'stuff' arising arise? " > > > > Note that any " stuff " so identified is thus > > identified as separate. So a " Wherefrom " or > > " What is it? " inquiry, by going to the so-called > > source of the " stuff " inherently leads to dis-illusion > > of the separateness of the " stuff " , whereupon we > > relax again into wholeness. > > > > -Bill > > > > > > Bondzai [bondzai] > > Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:46 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion > > > > > > or.. > > > > " What is it? " > > > > that is a good question for me. When running up against stuff or > > anytime really... > > > > justifiably curious re: whats happening > > > > I think it helps do uninvent illusion because when one asks, 'what > is > > it'? re: whats happening now, then one can discover the truth. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Bondzai " <bondzai> wrote: > Dan is a psychologist, he can't help anyone LOL just charges money > ------------------------------- And SNM was a dope dealer. So what you doing on a web site dedicated to a dope dealer? --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Great! That's the way, aha, i like it! > > Pete > Uh, huh, uh huh ... Did a little dance, made a little love, Can't find myself ... Can't find myself ... Uh huh, uh huh -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Yes, Dan. But people who haven't realized > what you are speaking of need some other > kind of language. It's not produced by language, Bill. It's understood only by going beyond one's persistent ideas of communication and understanding. > If someone is struggling with " stuff " coming > up for them, how does: > Allness has no questions, no statements, > and no one existing apart who needs to > know of it. > help them? If someone is looking to be helped, then that person should, or course, seek someone who has help to offer. Someone who knows the language they need to hear. Only one who is beyond being helped, will open as the unspoken word, the unsounded sound. > I am looking for ways to communicate to the > people who would not understand your message. How long do you think you have to find something to say to them? -- Dan > -Bill > > > dan330033 [dan330033] > Monday, December 02, 2002 10:05 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion > > > Allness has no questions, no statements, > and no one existing apart who needs to > know of it. > > Never has, never could, never will. > > Unobstructed stillness, in which sound isn't > separable, movement isn't an event that occurs. > > Peace, > Dan > > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Or... " Wherefrom does this 'stuff' arising arise? " > > > > Note that any " stuff " so identified is thus > > identified as separate. So a " Wherefrom " or > > " What is it? " inquiry, by going to the so-called > > source of the " stuff " inherently leads to dis-illusion > > of the separateness of the " stuff " , whereupon we > > relax again into wholeness. > > > > -Bill > > > > > > Bondzai [bondzai] > > Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:46 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: " Who Am I? " is the invention of illusion > > > > > > or.. > > > > " What is it? " > > > > that is a good question for me. When running up against stuff or > > anytime really... > > > > justifiably curious re: whats happening > > > > I think it helps do uninvent illusion because when one asks, 'what > is > > it'? re: whats happening now, then one can discover the truth. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 whose snm? Nisargadatta, " el_wells_2003 " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " Bondzai " <bondzai> wrote: > > Dan is a psychologist, he can't help anyone LOL just > charges money > > > > ------------------------------- > > And SNM was a dope dealer. > > So what you doing on a web site > dedicated to a dope dealer? > > > --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 > > Only I can look into the obstruction > which is my perceiving of barriers, > my living and believing as if a barrier ... > > And only I can be honest enough to > fully acknowledge without self-deceit > whatsupwiddat ... > > -- Dan only dan can look, only dan can fully acknowledge... LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 > only dan can look, only dan can fully acknowledge... LOL only you can prevent forest fires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Just kidding Dan, I am sure you are very nice and enlightened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Bondzai " <bondzai> wrote: > Dan is a psychologist, he can't help anyone LOL just charges money I know the difference between what one can offer as a service, and what one can't offer as a service. There is nothing wrong with charging money for a service provided, and one is responsible for finding out how effective that service is. There is that which has nothing to do with getting help, and nothing to do with a service offered. Discrimination is to know the difference. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " el_wells_2003 " <elwells8@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, " Bondzai " <bondzai> wrote: > > Dan is a psychologist, he can't help anyone LOL just > charges money > > > > ------------------------------- > > And SNM was a dope dealer. > > So what you doing on a web site > dedicated to a dope dealer? > > > --------------------- Hey, that's pretty funny, El. Probably a hope dealer is even more despicable than a dope dealer. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Bondzai " <bondzai> wrote: > > > > Only I can look into the obstruction > > which is my perceiving of barriers, > > my living and believing as if a barrier ... > > > > And only I can be honest enough to > > fully acknowledge without self-deceit > > whatsupwiddat ... > > > > -- Dan > > only dan can look, only dan can fully acknowledge... LOL Not at all. You've got it backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2002 Report Share Posted December 2, 2002 Nisargadatta, " Bondzai " <bondzai> wrote: > > > only dan can look, only dan can fully acknowledge... LOL > > only you can prevent forest fires True. The buck stops here. It can't be left for someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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