Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 Why is realization so elusive? Could it be, because people don't really want it, because they postpone, procrastinate, and invent excuses. They take the long way around, devise complicated practices. " The path is there, but no one to walk on it. Nirvana is there, but no one who enters it. " All they have to realize is that there is no permanent self. That continuity of self is an illusion. All sages of all major religions had said that in one way or another, but that is precisely what people don't want. They want spiritual progress, virtues, devotion and blissful feelings, they want perfection. Da! Does it make any sense to decorate a house before the wrecking crew demolish it? Let's face it, few people want that. They are happy as punch when they hear it might take several life times. Of all the arts in the world, the most creative, the one everyone is good at is self-deception. Best wishes, Pete Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 > All they have to realize is that there is no permanent > self. That continuity of > self is an illusion. All sages > of all major religions had said that in one way or > another, but that is > precisely what people don't want. Pete, could you please provide a few examples of sages and their proclamations who claim there is no continuity of or permanent self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: Why is realization so elusive? Could it be, because people don't really want it, because they postpone, procrastinate, and invent excuses. They take the long way around, devise complicated practices. " The path is there, but no one to walk on it. Nirvana is there, but no one who enters it. " All they have to realize is that there is no permanent self. That continuity of self is an illusion. All sages of all major religions had said that in one way or another, but that is precisely what people don't want. They want spiritual progress, virtues, devotion and blissful feelings, they want perfection. Da! Does it make any sense to decorate a house before the wrecking crew demolish it? Let's face it, few people want that. They are happy as punch when they hear it might take several life times. Of all the arts in the world, the most creative, the one everyone is good at is self-deception. Best wishes, Pete KKT: People don't want realization. They want non-realization :-)) Because the enjoy and feel good in the << perpetual becoming >> :-)) Very sad, indeed :-)) KKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Yes, very sad and very funny. Pete Nisargadatta , " phamdluan2000 <phamdluan@a...> " <phamdluan@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us> > Why is realization so elusive? Could it be, because > people don't really want > it, because they postpone, procrastinate, and invent > excuses. They take the > long way around, devise complicated practices. > > " The path is there, but no one to walk on it. Nirvana > is there, but no one who > enters it. " > > All they have to realize is that there is no permanent > self. That continuity of > self is an illusion. All sages > of all major religions had said that in one way or > another, but that is > precisely what people don't want. > They want spiritual progress, virtues, devotion and > blissful feelings, they > want perfection. Da! > > Does it make any sense to decorate a house before the > wrecking crew demolish > it? Let's face it, few people > want that. They are happy as punch when they hear it > might take several life > times. > > Of all the arts in the world, the most creative, the > one everyone is good at > is self-deception. > > > Best wishes, > > Pete > > > > > > KKT: People don't want realization. > They want non-realization :-)) > > Because the enjoy and feel good > in the << perpetual becoming >> :-)) > > > Very sad, indeed :-)) > > > KKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 <inmadison@h...> " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > > All they have to realize is that there is no permanent > > self. That continuity of > > self is an illusion. All sages > > of all major religions had said that in one way or > > another, but that is > > precisely what people don't want. > Pete, could you please provide a few examples of sages and their > proclamations who claim there is no continuity of or permanent self. trem23 Whoever/whatever the seeker sees, he only sees the content of his own mind. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 This is not only true for seekers but grandmas as well > > > > Whoever/whatever the seeker sees, > > he only sees the content of his own mind. > > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Homosapiens. Lock, stock, and barrel. .. ---- Nisargadatta , " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > This is not only true for seekers but grandmas as well > > > > > > > > Whoever/whatever the seeker sees, > > > > he only sees the content of his own mind. > > > > > > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Spiritual sapiens. Hahnuman, His Parents In his heart. .. - <elwells8 <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:39 AM Re: Why? Homosapiens. Lock, stock, and barrel. .. ---- Nisargadatta , " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > This is not only true for seekers but grandmas as well > > > > > > > > Whoever/whatever the seeker sees, > > > > he only sees the content of his own mind. > > > > > > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Spiritual and anti-spiritual SAPIENS. -------------------------------- <shantiprod> wrote: > Spiritual sapiens. > Hahnuman, His Parents In his heart. -------------------------------- > <elwells8@e...> > > Homosapiens. > Lock, stock, and barrel. > > . > -------------------------------- > > Nisargadatta , " trem23 > <inmadison@h...> " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > > This is not only true for seekers but grandmas as well > > > -------------------------------- > <elwells8@e...> > > > > > > Whoever/whatever the seeker sees, > > > > > > he only sees the content of his own mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Just because I am not against 'Spirituality', doesn't mean I am for it. ---------------------- <elwells8@e...> wrote: > Spiritual and anti-spiritual SAPIENS. > > > -------------------------------- > > <shantiprod> wrote: > > > Spiritual sapiens. > > > > > Hahnuman, His Parents In his heart. > -------------------------------- > > > > <elwells8@e...> > > > > > Homosapiens. > > Lock, stock, and barrel. > > > > . > > > -------------------------------- > > > > Nisargadatta , " trem23 > > <inmadison@h...> " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > > > > > This is not only true for seekers but grandmas as well > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > <elwells8@e...> > > > > > > > > Whoever/whatever the seeker sees, > > > > > > > > he only sees the content of his own mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 > Just because I am not against 'Spirituality', > doesn't mean I am for it. continued -- it is like the bird flying over who relieves himself on your head -- just because I am not against it, doesn't mean I am for it. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 > Whoever/whatever the seeker sees, > > he only sees the content of his own mind. > > > > . Quite so. And seeing this, the mind of separation dissolves. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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