Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 *********** i understood from what you have said that nothing has to be known. let's see, you were born, and you didn't know anything. Little by little you started to see, understand, do a lots of things. you came to know how to speak, how to walk, how to play. Later, you went to school and you have learnt a lot there. Later you started to have big questions. I guess that after a certain age you started to not just believe what other people were saying, and start looking, searching the answers by yourself. Slowly you made your own universe, your own way of thinking and actioning. Your own way of giving answers. All of those would not be possible without knowing. But, if your answer is now: there is nothing to be known, that means that you came to a certain understanding where you judge things upon this statement. We started existing, i guess, when our parents made us and since that moment we are in a continuous search for knowing. I have been the attempt to know something. Because I am trying to know, to feel, because I claim something happened to me, I must exist. When I die to the attempt, the I that is claimed by the attempt, also dies. *** yes, very true With the release of the attempt, I dissolves, there is nothing to know about anything, nothing to know about enlightenment, nothing to know about who is or isn't ... *** but as long as there is the question, the attempt, there is also wanting to know.. mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 I think that what Dan is saying is that if one wants to learn about something, like astronomy, cooking, relationships, or experience skydiving or taste of a strawberry, fame and fortune - whatever - that is all about success and enjoyment (hopefully) about the relative world we live in. This 'type' of knowledge/experience adds spice to life - there is nothing wrong with that - you are entitled - go for it! However, in the " I Am " endeavor, the above type of knowledge/experience is of no value. The " I Am " lies beyond the intellectual, emotional, sensual realm. These two endeavors are compatable - 200% of Life. As Jesus once said, " Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and all else shall be added unto you " " added " is the key word. Larry Nisargadatta , " Athanor " <athanor@c...> wrote: > > *********** i understood from what you have said that nothing has to be known. let's see, you were born, and you didn't know anything. Little by little you started to see, understand, do a lots of things. you came to know how to speak, how to walk, how to play. Later, you went to school and you have learnt a lot there. Later you started to have big questions. I guess that after a certain age you started to not just believe what other people were saying, and start looking, searching the answers by yourself. Slowly you made your own universe, your own way of thinking and actioning. Your own way of giving answers. All of those would not be possible without knowing. > But, if your answer is now: there is nothing to be known, that means that you came to a certain understanding where you judge things upon this statement. > > We started existing, i guess, when our parents made us and since that moment we are in a continuous search for knowing. > > I have been the attempt to know something. > > Because I am trying to know, to feel, because > I claim something happened to me, I must exist. > > When I die to the attempt, the I that is claimed > by the attempt, also dies. > > *** yes, very true > > > With the release of the attempt, I dissolves, > there is nothing to know about anything, > nothing to know about enlightenment, > nothing to know about who is or isn't ... > > *** but as long as there is the question, the attempt, there is also wanting to know.. > > mira > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > I think that what Dan is saying is that if one wants to learn about > something, like astronomy, cooking, relationships, or experience > skydiving or taste of a strawberry, fame and fortune - whatever - > that is all about success and enjoyment (hopefully) about the > relative world we live in. > This 'type' of knowledge/experience adds spice to life - there is > nothing wrong with that - you are entitled - go for it! > > However, in the " I Am " endeavor, the above type of > knowledge/experience is of no value. The " I Am " lies beyond the > intellectual, emotional, sensual realm. > > These two endeavors are compatable - 200% of Life. > > As Jesus once said, " Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and all > else shall be added unto you " " added " is the key word. > > Larry Hi Larry -- I enjoyed reading your interpretation of what I wrote. It's not like there's a right or wrong interpretation. There are words, and there is whatever experience arises in resonance with those words, or doesn't. I agree that learning how to cook, or do astronomy are natural happenings within the event we call life. And there is a difference between learning how to do certain things while alive, and knowing what life/death is. Knowing what life/death is, is unknowing of everything assumed to anchor a knower to knowings of a life one moves through, from birth until death ... This moment of inseparable creation/destruction doesn't move, so motionless, it includes all apparent movements between states of being (creation) and destruction (ceasing). I think you are using " I am " to signify: I am neither born, nor destroyed, I don't begin, and I don't cease ... And any I which can be constructed and placed in time and space, can be destroyed. Any am which can end, which can become am not, is limited. What is not limited, not within the movement between life and death, being and nonbeing, isn't something known -- because a knower knows things that begin and end -- knowings begin and end -- like all the knowings you mentioned, which " add zest to life " ... This unknown being which is timeless, is the pearl Jesus spoke of for which sake all the little pearls were sold (all the known events, all the things that begin and end) ... -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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