Guest guest Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 > >mira: *** this world might be relative, as we have contradictory definitions (good-bad, beautiful-ugly and so on), but, we as persons are not relative.. so, we have the possibility to choose.. we as persons are utterly relative. our choices arise with the situations in which choosing occurs -- choicelessly ... -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Choicelessness as " you " see it is a mirage. THAT " dan330033 <dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > >mira: *** this world might be relative, as we have contradictory definitions (good-bad, beautiful-ugly and so on), but, we as persons are not relative.. so, we have the possibility to choose.. we as persons are utterly relative. our choices arise with the situations in which choosing occurs -- choicelessly ... -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Nisargadatta , Consciousness Noumenon <sloshednstoned> wrote: > > Choicelessness as " you " see it is a mirage. > THAT You're just another mirage who likes to sign your name as THAT. -- THIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 So Now, THIS and THAT, what else IS the difference, he ? ! - <dan330033 <Nisargadatta > Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:10 PM Re: larry/mira Nisargadatta , Consciousness Noumenon <sloshednstoned> wrote: > > Choicelessness as " you " see it is a mirage. > THAT You're just another mirage who likes to sign your name as THAT. -- THIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 our choices arise with the situations in which choosing occurs -- choicelessly ... -- Dan ~~~~ we can choose all the time... fully! mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 The notion that there is no individual ego in position to make choices and decisions comes up frequently in Advaita discussions. The individual ego is dismissed as an illusion - that everything is alright as it happens, nothing can go wrong, . . . perhaps even to say nothing is happenning, etc. Without the proper establishment of Self as " I Am That " , such statments are fraudulent - and to tell another person that the individual ego does not exist is detrimental to that person. When I first joined this group a few months past, I stated how Advaita sounds like 'putting the cart before the horse' - now I have a better understanding of my initial gut feelings. To tell someone, or oneself, that the world is an illusion, that nothing ever happens, that one can do no wrong - this feeds the individual ego, it plays right into the illusion, making the ego stronger. The ego either becomes lazy, rationalizing every behavior, or it becomes aggressive, defending its 'nonexistence' and impartiality. Advaita is not a path to " I Am That " - it is a 'path' one MAY adopt AFTER " I Am That " to extend the Self into the world as in " I Am That...and All This is nothing but That. " Then and only then is Advaita as nondualism (Unity) realized. So, taste the Self, infuse the Self, establish the Self; then if it suits you, embrace Advaita with full enthusiasm. Namaste, Larry Nisargadatta , " Athanor " <athanor@c...> wrote: > > our choices arise with the situations in which > choosing occurs -- choicelessly ... > > -- Dan > > > ~~~~ we can choose all the time... fully! > mira > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 hello, i'm new to the group and fairly new to Nisargadatta, i learned about Him this past summer..i have been involved with Meher Baba yoganada, patanjilies yoga sutra, RamaKrishna, Baba Hari Dass, Tibetain Buddhism, i,ve been through alot of stories...my question is for your larry... have you tasted the Self, infused the Self and established the self..also i would like to see your picture, can you show me one? and tell me what your age is? nameste devi > > So, taste the Self, infuse the Self, establish the Self; then if it > suits you, embrace Advaita with full enthusiasm. > > Namaste, > Larry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Nisargadatta , " philippe/shantiprod " <philippeplantey@f...> wrote: > So Now, THIS and THAT, what else IS the difference, he ? > > ! Sounds like a trick question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Athanor " <athanor@c...> wrote: > > our choices arise with the situations in which > choosing occurs -- choicelessly ... > > -- Dan > > > ~~~~ we can choose all the time... fully! > mira sure. I didn't say choices arise unfully. What's an unfull choice anyway? -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Larry -- There's a saying in the Bible: to he who has, shall be given. to he that hath not, shall be taken away the little that he has. A Zen teacher said, " If you have a staff, I will give you a staff. If you don't have a staff, I will take it away from you. -- Dan Nisargadatta , " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > The notion that there is no individual ego in position to make > choices and decisions comes up frequently in Advaita discussions. > The individual ego is dismissed as an illusion - that everything is > alright as it happens, nothing can go wrong, . . . perhaps even to > say nothing is happenning, etc. > Without the proper establishment of Self as " I Am That " , such > statments are fraudulent - and to tell another person that the > individual ego does not exist is detrimental to that person. > > When I first joined this group a few months past, I stated how > Advaita sounds like 'putting the cart before the horse' - now I have > a better understanding of my initial gut feelings. > > To tell someone, or oneself, that the world is an illusion, that > nothing ever happens, that one can do no wrong - this feeds the > individual ego, it plays right into the illusion, making the ego > stronger. The ego either becomes lazy, rationalizing every behavior, > or it becomes aggressive, defending its 'nonexistence' and > impartiality. > > Advaita is not a path to " I Am That " - it is a 'path' one MAY adopt > AFTER " I Am That " to extend the Self into the world as in " I Am > That...and All This is nothing but That. " Then and only then is > Advaita as nondualism (Unity) realized. > > So, taste the Self, infuse the Self, establish the Self; then if it > suits you, embrace Advaita with full enthusiasm. > > Namaste, > Larry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 on 1/31/03 8:28 AM, trem23 <inmadison at inmadison wrote: > To tell someone, or oneself, that the world is an illusion, that > nothing ever happens, that one can do no wrong - this feeds the > individual ego, it plays right into the illusion, making the ego > stronger. The ego either becomes lazy, rationalizing every behavior, > or it becomes aggressive, defending its 'nonexistence' and > impartiality. Hey larry, Everything one can say " feeds the ego " if looked at through the ego. To say the world is an illusion does inspire some to find out if it is true. You are grasping a concept and holding on for dear life. > Advaita is not a path to " I Am That " - it is a 'path' one MAY adopt > AFTER " I Am That " to extend the Self into the world as in " I Am > That...and All This is nothing but That. " Then and only then is > Advaita as nondualism (Unity) realized. Another concept for you to defend... Namaste, Shawn > So, taste the Self, infuse the Self, establish the Self; then if it > suits you, embrace Advaita with full enthusiasm. > > Namaste, > Larry > > Nisargadatta , " Athanor " <athanor@c...> wrote: >> >> our choices arise with the situations in which >> choosing occurs -- choicelessly ... >> >> -- Dan >> >> >> ~~~~ we can choose all the time... fully! >> mira >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 These are not Truths, but paradoxes designed to stun the mind into relinquishing its command, leaving the Self alone. Stun me Oh Lord L Nisargadatta , " dan330033 <dan330033> " <dan330033> wrote: > Larry -- There's a saying in the Bible: > to he who has, shall be given. > to he that hath not, shall be taken away > the little that he has. > > A Zen teacher said, " If you have a staff, I > will give you a staff. If you don't have > a staff, I will take it away from you. > > -- Dan > > Nisargadatta , " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " > <inmadison@h...> wrote: > > The notion that there is no individual ego in position to make > > choices and decisions comes up frequently in Advaita discussions. > > The individual ego is dismissed as an illusion - that everything is > > alright as it happens, nothing can go wrong, . . . perhaps even to > > say nothing is happenning, etc. > > Without the proper establishment of Self as " I Am That " , such > > statments are fraudulent - and to tell another person that the > > individual ego does not exist is detrimental to that person. > > > > When I first joined this group a few months past, I stated how > > Advaita sounds like 'putting the cart before the horse' - now I > have > > a better understanding of my initial gut feelings. > > > > To tell someone, or oneself, that the world is an illusion, that > > nothing ever happens, that one can do no wrong - this feeds the > > individual ego, it plays right into the illusion, making the ego > > stronger. The ego either becomes lazy, rationalizing every > behavior, > > or it becomes aggressive, defending its 'nonexistence' and > > impartiality. > > > > Advaita is not a path to " I Am That " - it is a 'path' one MAY adopt > > AFTER " I Am That " to extend the Self into the world as in " I Am > > That...and All This is nothing but That. " Then and only then is > > Advaita as nondualism (Unity) realized. > > > > So, taste the Self, infuse the Self, establish the Self; then if it > > suits you, embrace Advaita with full enthusiasm. > > > > Namaste, > > Larry > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 1/31/03 8:28 AM, trem23 <inmadison@h...> at inmadison@h... > wrote: > > > To tell someone, or oneself, that the world is an illusion, that > > nothing ever happens, that one can do no wrong - this feeds the > > individual ego, it plays right into the illusion, making the ego > > stronger. The ego either becomes lazy, rationalizing every behavior, > > or it becomes aggressive, defending its 'nonexistence' and > > impartiality. > > Hey larry, > > Everything one can say " feeds the ego " if looked at through the ego. > To say the world is an illusion does inspire some to find out if it is true. This is exactly what I am saying, every thought feeds the ego - but remember the ego IS of the world and can not be inspired to find out about Reality. Only the Self stands impartial, only the Self is Reliable. > You are grasping a concept and holding on for dear life. I know and speak the truth - I owe you that. > > > Advaita is not a path to " I Am That " - it is a 'path' one MAY adopt > > AFTER " I Am That " to extend the Self into the world as in " I Am > > That...and All This is nothing but That. " Then and only then is > > Advaita as nondualism (Unity) realized. > > > Another concept for you to defend... > Namaste, Shawn I will be glad to answer any questions, but for now note that Advaita means 'non-dualism' or Unity. Until the Unbounded Self is realized, there is nothing to unite. Take care, Larry > > > > So, taste the Self, infuse the Self, establish the Self; then if it > > suits you, embrace Advaita with full enthusiasm. > > > > Namaste, > > Larry > > > > Nisargadatta , " Athanor " <athanor@c...> wrote: > >> > >> our choices arise with the situations in which > >> choosing occurs -- choicelessly ... > >> > >> -- Dan > >> > >> > >> ~~~~ we can choose all the time... fully! > >> mira > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 on 1/31/03 8:28 AM, trem23 <inmadison at inmadison wrote: > So, taste the Self, infuse the Self, establish the Self; then if it > suits you, embrace Advaita with full enthusiasm. > > Namaste, > Larry Listen bud... You are crying about which finger to use to point to the moon! .....and then you say, find the moon, see the moon and then see if using fingers to point is any help! I don't think Sri Ramana or Sri Nisargadatta would share your view that their teaching or any part thereof does anyone a disservice. <G> Is it your point not to point? lol Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Not mere paradox, far more than that ... Wait till you see What's under the cat's hat. Taser me, Phaser me Be sure and laser me Stun me, fun me, Make sure to run me Take away what never was ... Bring what has always been ... -- Dan Nisargadatta , " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > These are not Truths, but paradoxes designed to stun the mind into > relinquishing its command, leaving the Self alone. > > Stun me Oh Lord > L > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 <dan330033> " > <dan330033> wrote: > > Larry -- There's a saying in the Bible: > > to he who has, shall be given. > > to he that hath not, shall be taken away > > the little that he has. > > > > A Zen teacher said, " If you have a staff, I > > will give you a staff. If you don't have > > a staff, I will take it away from you. > > > > -- Dan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 The notion that there is no individual ego in position to make choices and decisions comes up frequently in Advaita discussions. The individual ego is dismissed as an illusion - that everything is alright as it happens, nothing can go wrong, . . . perhaps even to say nothing is happenning, etc. ~~ well, i think that everything is alright as it happens, but something can go wrong.. that thing is to see it just as it happens and be true in it.. accept it as wrong and be okay in it.. Without the proper establishment of Self as " I Am That " , such statments are fraudulent - and to tell another person that the individual ego does not exist is detrimental to that person. ~~ yeah, right.. When I first joined this group a few months past, I stated how Advaita sounds like 'putting the cart before the horse' - now I have a better understanding of my initial gut feelings. ~~ i don't even know why am i here... To tell someone, or oneself, that the world is an illusion, that nothing ever happens, that one can do no wrong - this feeds the individual ego, it plays right into the illusion, making the ego stronger. The ego either becomes lazy, rationalizing every behavior, or it becomes aggressive, defending its 'nonexistence' and impartiality. ~~~ yeah, but we can still play with the ideas.. So, taste the Self, infuse the Self, establish the Self; then if it suits you, embrace Advaita with full enthusiasm. ~~ i would rather taste the truth, infuse the truth and live in truth.. mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 hi devi, welcome! i think we meet everywhere!! mira - devianandi <devi Nisargadatta Friday, January 31, 2003 8:41 PM Re: larry/mira hello, i'm new to the group and fairly new to Nisargadatta, i learned about Him this past summer..i have been involved with Meher Baba yoganada, patanjilies yoga sutra, RamaKrishna, Baba Hari Dass, Tibetain Buddhism, i,ve been through alot of stories...my question is for your larry... have you tasted the Self, infused the Self and established the self..also i would like to see your picture, can you show me one? and tell me what your age is? nameste devi > > So, taste the Self, infuse the Self, establish the Self; then if it > suits you, embrace Advaita with full enthusiasm. > > Namaste, > Larry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 The difference is in conviction. If you're convinced in THIS, then THIS is THAT.Till then you'll have to settled down for the infinitely-lesser THIS. ------ THAT " dan330033 <dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:--- In Nisargadatta , " philippe/shantiprod " <philippeplantey@f...> wrote: > So Now, THIS and THAT, what else IS the difference, he ? > > ! Sounds like a trick question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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