Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 --- topaz0012 wrote: > In a message dated 01/28/2003 10:45:45 AM Central > Standard Time, > seesaw1us writes: > > > > Its alright to accept, it's alright to resist. > > Acceptance is the gas, resistance is the brake. We > > need both. Just use the gas pedal > > more frequently or you won't go far along this > way. > " I don't agree with this " . Hi Copper, P:) There you go. You are resisting my statement, and that's okay. There is no reason you shoul accept it. But notice you didn't decide to resist. Your disagreement was automatic, out of your control. That is the way with all kinds of resistance. Someone looses his wallet with all his credit cards, money, IDs and the second he notices, a negative surge of emotions sets in. Fear, worry, maybe anger at himself. Suppose this person the day before had made a resolution to accept everything. Now he's not only upset about his wallet, but about his lack of acceptance as well. So the sensible thing to do is to accept his lack of acceptance and go look for his wallet. We seldom decide to accept or reject. It just happens before we have a chance to decide. We only truly accept when the identification with the self is gone. Then we receive bad news about ourselves with the same mild interest that we accept bad news about others. Until then, the best we can do is to accept or reject after the fact and pay attention to the mechanism of resistance. >Resistance blocks the flow > of energy. P:What energy are we talking about? > Surrender/acceptance is necessary. What is more > futile than to resist what > already IS? " P: Yes, I belive we are saying the same thing. Just because you surrender to what is > does NOT mean you cannot > choose to change the situation to a more desirable > outcome. P: If you are trying to change what you have accepted, you haven't truly accepted it, have you? You are just putting up with it. And this is where clarity is needed, we are talking about what we really feel, not about reluctant attitudes. >However, you > must start where you are, and where you are is > acceptance of the NOW. P:Yes. Pete Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 In a message dated 01/28/2003 10:28:24 PM Central Standard Time, seesaw1us writes: > : If you are trying to change what you have accepted, > you haven't truly accepted it, have you? You are just > putting up with it. And this is where clarity is > Nah, don't agree with this either. Just because I disagree with your perceptions does not mean I am resisting them. Resistance means to block what is. I'm in no way trying to block your perception. I " m stating that my perception is different from yours which is not the same as resistance. Copper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Pete: Perhaps cb is not resisting your premise, but not accepting it. Resistance is not the same as rejection. Braking for a pothole is not the same as negotiating around it, or straddling it. I think your 'A.R.E.' is perhaps not as crisply accepted as you think. Nisargadatta , topaz0012@a... wrote: > In a message dated 01/28/2003 10:28:24 PM Central Standard Time, > seesaw1us writes: > > > > : If you are trying to change what you have accepted, > > you haven't truly accepted it, have you? You are just > > putting up with it. And this is where clarity is > > > > Nah, don't agree with this either. Just because I disagree with your > perceptions does not mean I am resisting them. Resistance means to block > what is. I'm in no way trying to block your perception. I " m stating that my > perception is different from yours which is not the same as resistance. > > Copper > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 So be it. I accept you don't agree. Thanks for your imput. Pete --- topaz0012 wrote: > In a message dated 01/28/2003 10:28:24 PM Central > Standard Time, > seesaw1us writes: > > > > : If you are trying to change what you have > accepted, > > you haven't truly accepted it, have you? You are > just > > putting up with it. And this is where clarity is > > > > Nah, don't agree with this either. Just because I > disagree with your > perceptions does not mean I am resisting them. > Resistance means to block > what is. I'm in no way trying to block your > perception. I " m stating that my > perception is different from yours which is not the > same as resistance. > > Copper > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 > I think your 'A.R.E.' is perhaps not as crisply > accepted as you think. > Larry,tell me something i don't know. How many people you know would accept the fact that all their decisions, even the most noble and difficult ones are taken by forces outside their control? True, they conceptualize the decision and that gives them the illusion of being the decision maker. It's like a clerk thinking that because he typed the memo it was his idea. ) Pete Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 perceptions 'themselves' come out of resistance, even the finest, like cristal clear non-material consciousness, or a bright enlightened brain, and mode is also very resistant, like the 'choice' of breing speaking from heart, body or mind, evn when they have 'collapsed' in th esnse of I (-ness) so that to say yhat even difference is an illusion, so does it for war, and Peace Is Yet, realsed or not :-) Shanti ! :-) Philippe - <topaz0012 <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:14 PM Re: A.R.E./ copper In a message dated 01/28/2003 10:28:24 PM Central Standard Time, seesaw1us writes: > : If you are trying to change what you have accepted, > you haven't truly accepted it, have you? You are just > putting up with it. And this is where clarity is > Nah, don't agree with this either. Just because I disagree with your perceptions does not mean I am resisting them. Resistance means to block what is. I'm in no way trying to block your perception. I " m stating that my perception is different from yours which is not the same as resistance. Copper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Pete: Interesting but I for one did not get that this was the idea you were communicating in your original A.R.E. post. In fact I thought it was quite the opposite! > How many people you know would accept the fact > that all their decisions, even the most noble and > difficult ones are taken by forces outside their > control? True, they conceptualize the decision and > that gives them the illusion of being the decision > maker. It's like a clerk thinking that because > he typed the memo it was his idea. ) > > Pete > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Nisargadatta , " trem23 <inmadison@h...> " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > Pete: Interesting but I for one did not get that this was the idea > you were communicating in your original A.R.E. post. In fact I > thought it was quite the opposite! > > > How many people you know would accept the fact > > that all their decisions, even the most noble and > > difficult ones are taken by forces outside their > > control? True, they conceptualize the decision and > > that gives them the illusion of being the decision > > maker. It's like a clerk thinking that because > > he typed the memo it was his idea. ) Larry, The first one was written for those who still think they can truly decide to accept or reject. And to show them how to deal with the anxiety and contradictions involved in driving a car w/o a responsive steering wheel. Until someone decides to stop hitting his head against the wall, the only thing you can do is give him a helmet. The one above was written for you. Is your forehead black and blue? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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