Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Sitting on the shores of time and watching it pass by sometimes silently & gracefully and sometimes turbulently & violently--whether I could jump in it and be lost forever and ever...then i would simply be there-tommorow,today,yesterday and now...and where would it carry me ? What would it be to be carried away by the river of time..no future and no past. What is it that keeps me from taking that jump,what am I clinging to? Jade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 You'd miss the finale of the Bachlorette for one thing! Nisargadatta , " jade_matrix999 <ranawade@n...> " <ranawade@n...> wrote: > Sitting on the shores of time and watching it pass by sometimes > silently & gracefully and sometimes turbulently & violently-- whether > I could jump in it and be lost forever and ever...then i would simply > be there-tommorow,today,yesterday and now...and where would it carry > me ? > What would it be to be carried away by the river of time..no future > and no past. > What is it that keeps me from taking that jump,what am I clinging to? > > Jade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 on 2/12/03 11:01 AM, Shawn <shawnregan at shawnregan wrote: > You'd miss the finale of the Bachlorette for one thing! > > Nisargadatta , " jade_matrix999 <ranawade@n...> " > <ranawade@n...> wrote: >> Sitting on the shores of time and watching it pass by sometimes >> silently & gracefully and sometimes turbulently & violently-- > whether >> I could jump in it and be lost forever and ever...then i would > simply >> be there-tommorow,today,yesterday and now...and where would it > carry >> me ? >> What would it be to be carried away by the river of time..no future >> and no past. >> What is it that keeps me from taking that jump,what am I clinging > to? >> >> Jade. Dear Jade))))))) The one who would jump *is* the problem. What are we always up to? The desire or effort to jump comes from this same one. We are constantly reinforcing the identity with all kinds of phenomenal relationships. There's Jade the Mom, or the sister, the daughter, the musician, the woman (I presume you're a woman;-) all these things- can only be dropped effortlessly when seeing how they come about is understood, and seeing them in action takes place. The notion of surrender is impossible for the ego. The ego is *an activity* of grasping in the response to a percieved problem or threat. That is why we become spiritual seekers...it is the same grasping and desire to escape that the alcoholic percieves and performs, only in a different direction. Freedom is always already here, but you must see yourself clearly, see your feelings, thought and motivation. The seeing of it is freeing in itself, there is no need to jump anywhere. )))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 > The one who would jump *is* the problem. What are we > always up to? The > desire or effort to jump comes from this same one. > We are constantly > reinforcing the identity with all kinds of > phenomenal relationships. There's > Jade the Mom, or the sister, the daughter, the > musician, the woman (I > presume you're a woman;-) all these things- can only > be dropped effortlessly > when seeing how they come about is understood, and > seeing them in action > takes place. > > The notion of surrender is impossible for the ego. > The ego is *an activity* > of grasping in the response to a percieved problem > or threat. That is why we > become spiritual seekers...it is the same grasping > and desire to escape that > the alcoholic percieves and performs, only in a > different direction. Freedom > is always already here, but you must see yourself > clearly, see your > feelings, thought and motivation. The seeing of it > is freeing in itself, > there is no need to jump anywhere. > > )))))))))Shawn Hi Shawn, What you said above is so right: " The ego is the activity. " And the method is just to STOP. But to look for a method to stop is a trick. There is no method, but to STOP, cease,subside, just BE. Once we totally stop all mental activity for a few minutes, a seeing takes place that changes everything, and then when activity returns there is no doer and freedom is there. Freedom from activity and inactivity as well. Best, Pete Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 > Nisargadatta , " jade_matrix999 <ranawade@n...> " > <ranawade@n...> wrote: >> Sitting on the shores of time and watching it pass by sometimes >> silently & gracefully and sometimes turbulently & violently-- > whether >> I could jump in it and be lost forever and ever...then i would > simply >> be there-tommorow,today,yesterday and now...and where would it > carry >> me ? >> What would it be to be carried away by the river of time..no future >> and no past. >> What is it that keeps me from taking that jump,what am I clinging > to? >> >> Jade. You have a lovely way with words Jade. It is the clinging to an illusion which stops you from jumping, stops you from truely being. It is true, the ego cannot surrender, it is the ego itself that gets to be surrendered. Surrendering is not an act, but a lack there of, as is the jumping you are referring to. To truely do nothing is to jump. To internally STOP! in the midst of clinging - with no internal movement of conciousness, no safety mechanisms, no internal damage control, not moving toward anything, not moving away from anything, just a frozen, isolated cling, a perfectly still holding, this is to have let go. In non-action you have acted. You have for a moment, surrendered your illusion. I say go for it Jade... dive in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Thanks Toby,Shawn and Pete for your response. Jade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Your welcome. > > jade_matrix999 <intensivists [sMTP:intensivists] > Sunday, 16 February 2003 5:56 am > Nisargadatta > Re: How to jump? > > Thanks Toby,Shawn and Pete for your response. > > > Jade > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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