Neither felt nor thought about

[Guest guest]

Hi Pete and Copper,

 

If you can feel yourself as nothing, then

you are not at the origin point.

 

You are in a feeling experience, without

thinking about it.

 

At the origin point, there are no

feelings, nor thoughts, nor space.

 

The origin generates space, time,

" I " , and eventually feelings and

thoughts.

 

Don't settle for a feeling.

 

Find out who you are, who I am,

prior to any " I's " , any time,

and feelings or thoughts.

 

The label " nothingness " is very misleading,

if you take it as something to feel,

that can't be thought.

 

There are neither thoughts nor feelings of it,

nor is it in any way an experience that is had.

 

It is the origin of all experiential space, times,

beings, and feelings.

 

It is your own being, before you had a place to

feel anything from.

 

This is knowing without knowing anything,

purely unknown knowing -- not with a feeling

tone, not with an image for a thought-form.

 

All-encompassing of all times, space, thoughts,

feelings, beings -- without exception.

 

-- Dan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us>

wrote:

>

> Hi copper,

>

> What you wrote below could no be stressed enough.

> This nothingness that we really are can be felt, and

> in

> feeling it and dwelling there all is acomplished. Now

> the intellect will ask: how can we feel nothing? And

> who is feeling it? All this questions are useless

> because the intellect can't enter here, or understand

> this. The urge to grasp and understand has to be

> abandon to enter.

>

> Best,

>

> Pete

>

> " Also, the space between thoughts is just that empty

> space. You cannot

> understand

> emptiness, so don't try to. The mind will twist it

> and contort it, but

> space

> is nothingness and this isn't something that can be

> mentally discussed.

> Nothingness

> is best felt:) So go there and feel this nothingness,

> drop the mental

> chatter, and know that the longer you abide in the

> nothingness the more "

> connected you become, and the less control the mind

> has over you.

>

>

>

>

>

> Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 <dan330033> "

<dan330033> wrote:

 

Hi Dan,

 

>If you can feel yourself as nothing, then

>you are not at the origin point.

P: Who said there was anyone feeling nothing.

This feeling is like feeling healthy. A brain feels

the body being healthy w/o saying, I'm well. It's an

un-localized absence of negative sensations. So in

this so called feeling of nothing the Absolute reveals

itself to the brain as an absence of self.

This of course, could be said in many different ways

and only those brains that have felt that can relate.

 

>You are in a feeling experience, without

>thinking about it.

 

P: again no you or I could feel this.

 

At the origin point, there are no

feelings, nor thoughts, nor space.

 

P: How would your brain know that then?

And what origin is this? Origin of what?

No thing has been created, or originated,

 

 

>The origin generates space, time,

" I " , and eventually feelings and

>thoughts.

 

P:All these things are simply ways of

Viewing the whole.

 

 

 

>Don't settle for a feeling.

 

P:)Be all you can be!

 

What difference would it make? There is no one to

Settle for anything or achieve nothing.

A sage and an ignorant man die the same death:

The body dissolves, memories vanish, the Absolute

remains un-touch by all these

 

>Find out who you are, who I am,

prior to any " I's " , any time,

>and feelings or thoughts.

 

P: ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?

There is no you or I buddy, and I been driving this

taxi without sleeping forever. ))

 

 

 

>The label " nothingness " is very misleading,

if you take it as something to feel,

>that can't be thought.

 

 

>There are neither thoughts nor feelings of it,

>nor is it in any way an experience that is had.

 

>It is the origin of all experiential space, times,

beings, and feelings.

 

>It is your own being, before you had a place to

>feel anything from.

 

>This is knowing without knowing anything,

purely unknown knowing -- not with a feeling

>tone, not with an image for a thought-form.

 

>All-encompassing of all times, space, thoughts,

>feelings, beings -- without exception.

 

P: Well! Now that you got that off your chest, I bet you

FEEl better. By the way " unknown knowing doesn't really sound

More adequate than feeling

 

And by whatever exoteric means you got that assurance, so did

this pea brain, and it calls that a feeling, if it's alright with

you.

 

I know we're singing from the same page. But you're always off key

 

LOve

 

Pete