Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 All experience is a product of our mind, and all experience is dreamlike in nature. We have learned to believe that our mind's participation in reality is awareness. But what we have come to call awareness, the awareness we use in our experience in consensus reality, is really the activity of our mind solving the problems of our perceived reality. Our awareness of our holographic self is filtered through our paradigm and presented as a comparison or evaluation of ourselves with others and our place in this movie. It is through this process that we believe our awareness originates, but the process itself virtually eliminates the awareness of our nature as holographically connected beings. The resulting presentation, the presentation we think of as awareness, is not awareness at all. Severely filtered to give the illusion of separation from the whole, what we think is awareness is actually the activity of our mind and its paradigm. And we have been taught to give our attention to this activity. We have learned to accept this limited presentation and are rewarded for giving our attention to it. When we are able to focus our attention on this activity we gain a " place " in our reality and arrive at what we believe is a self-identity. Attention to this paradigm activity, this problem solving activity, is the foundation on which our social structure is based and is the driving force for our education system. In our social and technological paradigm, cultures that have not developed attention to this process are viewed as backward. Yet, these cultures often display abilities that cannot be defined within our paradigm. We know of cultures that never invented the wheel or telescope, yet have mapped the solar system in a detail that we are just now able to verify. Isolated, seemingly backward tribes of people have been found that have accurate descriptions of the stars beyond our solar system. Other cultures remained isolated in one place on the earth, yet possessed information and detailed drawings of all the peoples of the earth. Our scientists ponder these conundrums, searching for an explanation that fits within their paradigm. But they have never looked within; they have never looked to the process by which our mind constructs reality. Being consumed every waking moment of our day by the problem solving activity of our mind is not awareness at all. Each and every thought we experience has its origin in Mind -- in the pure holographic potential of The One. There is no other source of thought. Each and every thought arises in Mind without separation, limitation, or meaning, and in full Balance between the potential for experience and holographic awareness of The One. Our natural identity is not separate from the whole. This holographic awareness is available just behind the activity of the paradigm, behind the thought activity we have learned to believe is self-awareness. The activity of the mind responds to attention. When your attention is placed on a question, the mind must run the programs in its paradigm that result in an experience. When you become aware of the process, you can actually feel this activity happening. I am going to ask you a series of questions. After reading each question, close your eyes for just a moment and ponder the question. Try to feel the mental activity taking place as you do so. What is two times two? Okay, your mind ran a program and it appeared to provide the answer. It took only an instant for your mind to reach into its memory and extract it. You may not have noticed the problem solving activity of your mind. Now, when did you first learn the answer was four? Notice how your mind took a little longer and perhaps even pulled your awareness back to your school days. You may not recall the exact instant, but your problem solving mind automatically ran a program resulting in the awareness that you did, at some time in this lifetime, memorize the fact that two times two equals four. You went within. Most likely, you did not come up with a complete answer, but the answer you got somehow satisfied you. You just know that information is lost in the past, in your mind, at least. And you have the feeling that your mind is attempting to solve the problem, to come up with when you first learned that two plus two equals four. Where did you learn it? Again, when you are sensitive to the process, you can actually feel what you believe is your mind attempting to solve the problem. This is where you were taught to focus your attention in problem solving activity. You were reconstructing your childhood days, recalling the schools you went to, or perhaps you saw that terrible times table you spent hours focused on. And again, you did not come up with a specific answer. You were satisfied with an answer that fits your paradigm of recall. And you know, in our social paradigm, total recall is an exception. Still, you have the feeling that your mind is actively attempting to solve the problem, to answer the question. You have the feeling you are thinking about it, pondering it, or attempting to recall the answer. But the mental activity you experience when your mind is facing this problem is not a recall activity. Your mind knows full well the exact time and place you first learned that two times two equals four, as well as who was there and what the whether was like when the event happened. The entire scene is recorded in exact detail, detail that goes beyond what you were consciously aware of when the event took place. The answer to every question you could ask is available to your mind. The information is there; the mind and Mind are one. The problem your mind must solve is determining whether this information fits into your expected view of reality through the paradigm you have created. That's the only problem it ever has to solve and it must continue as long as your attention is focused on it. It is the filtering and refining process of your mind responding to your attention that you just felt, and your paradigm leads you to believe that this activity is awareness. You have learned to accept its limited presentation as all that is available to your conscious view screen. It is all that is available through your paradigm, but it is only a small fraction of what is available to your awareness. When you responded to the first question, the answer came quickly. But it only came quickly because it fit within your paradigm. When you pondered over the next questions, the answers came slowly and only in part, and the activity you felt continued as long as your attention was focused on the question. Even if you consider those questions again, you experience the same activity. The fact is, you experience this activity as long as you are focused on the question, or until you gain awareness. But right now, the focus of your attention may be on the fact that you consciously felt your paradigm for the first time in your life. This may be the first time you have openly admitted that the information you requested is still there, held beyond your conscious view screen by your paradigm. This may be the first time you have come to the realization that as long as the focus of your attention is on the question, the activity you feel is the process of your mind struggling with your attention, filtering and refining your awareness. And you have learned to believe and accept the fact that all that activity, that filtering and refining process in your mind, is awareness. Now, let's consider the implications of this discovery. How much of what we have " accomplished " as humanity has really been an accomplishment? We, as holographically connected spirit beings have " invented " devices such as telephones, radios, computers, and television, as means of communication. We " advanced " from total awareness to walking around, being transported from place to place by animal drawn carts, to automobiles, and to airplanes. We " evolved " from beings able to live in harmony with the earth into societies that build great cities and lay waste to its landscape. When we discover a people who are able to live in harmony with the earth, who can travel the earth and visit the stars in their awareness, we educate them. We teach them to focus their attention on the illusion. What would cause a holographic being to require these " advancements? " The only possible explanation is a loss of awareness. We have simply forgotten who and what we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 Friends, i have a simple question. But i can not answer this: What will happen when one's (upper-)brains are removed?? (the person will not die because the " little " remaining part of the brain will maintain functionality of the body ,like heart beats etc.) I know that " physicaly " the person will be like a vegetable, wouldn't percieve a thing, senssless. My question is this: What does the " self " experience in this case?? WHAT WILL IT PERCIEVE?? Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 - Shawn <shawnregan Nisargadatta Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:00 AM skyhero.com All experience is a product of our mind, and all experience is dreamlike in nature. We have learned to believe that our mind's participation in reality is awareness. But what we have come to call awareness, the awareness we use in our experience in consensus reality, is really the activity of our mind solving the problems of our perceived reality. Our awareness of our holographic self is filtered through our paradigm and presented as a comparison or evaluation of ourselves with others and our place in this movie. It is through this process that we believe our awareness originates, but the process itself virtually eliminates the awareness of our nature as holographically connected beings. The resulting presentation, the presentation we think of as awareness, is not awareness at all. Severely filtered to give the illusion of separation from the whole, what we think is awareness is actually the activity of our mind and its paradigm.And we have been taught to give our attention to this activity. We have learned to accept this limited presentation and are rewarded for giving our attention to it. When we are able to focus our attention on this activity we gain a "place" in our reality and arrive at what we believe is a self-identity. Attention to this paradigm activity, this problem solving activity, is the foundation on which our social structure is based and is the driving force for our education system. In our social and technological paradigm, cultures that have not developed attention to this process are viewed as backward. Yet, these cultures often display abilities that cannot be defined within our paradigm. We know of cultures that never invented the wheel or telescope, yet have mapped the solar system in a detail that we are just now able to verify. Isolated, seemingly backward tribes of people have been found that have accurate descriptions of the stars beyond our solar system. Other cultures remained isolated in one place on the earth, yet possessed information and detailed drawings of all the peoples of the earth. Our scientists ponder these conundrums, searching for an explanation that fits within their paradigm. But they have never looked within; they have never looked to the process by which our mind constructs reality. Being consumed every waking moment of our day by the problem solving activity of our mind is not awareness at all. Each and every thought we experience has its origin in Mind -- in the pure holographic potential of The One. There is no other source of thought. Each and every thought arises in Mind without separation, limitation, or meaning, and in full Balance between the potential for experience and holographic awareness of The One. Our natural identity is not separate from the whole. This holographic awareness is available just behind the activity of the paradigm, behind the thought activity we have learned to believe is self-awareness.The activity of the mind responds to attention. When your attention is placed on a question, the mind must run the programs in its paradigm that result in an experience. When you become aware of the process, you can actually feel this activity happening. I am going to ask you a series of questions. After reading each question, close your eyes for just a moment and ponder the question. Try to feel the mental activity taking place as you do so.What is two times two?Okay, your mind ran a program and it appeared to provide the answer. It took only an instant for your mind to reach into its memory and extract it. You may not have noticed the problem solving activity of your mind.Now, when did you first learn the answer was four? Notice how your mind took a little longer and perhaps even pulled your awareness back to your school days. You may not recall the exact instant, but your problem solving mind automatically ran a program resulting in the awareness that you did, at some time in this lifetime, memorize the fact that two times two equals four. You went within. Most likely, you did not come up with a complete answer, but the answer you got somehow satisfied you. You just know that information is lost in the past, in your mind, at least. And you have the feeling that your mind is attempting to solve the problem, to come up with when you first learned that two plus two equals four.Where did you learn it? Again, when you are sensitive to the process, you can actually feel what you believe is your mind attempting to solve the problem. This is where you were taught to focus your attention in problem solving activity. You were reconstructing your childhood days, recalling the schools you went to, or perhaps you saw that terrible times table you spent hours focused on. And again, you did not come up with a specific answer. You were satisfied with an answer that fits your paradigm of recall. And you know, in our social paradigm, total recall is an exception. Still, you have the feeling that your mind is actively attempting to solve the problem, to answer the question. You have the feeling you are thinking about it, pondering it, or attempting to recall the answer.But the mental activity you experience when your mind is facing this problem is not a recall activity. Your mind knows full well the exact time and place you first learned that two times two equals four, as well as who was there and what the whether was like when the event happened. The entire scene is recorded in exact detail, detail that goes beyond what you were consciously aware of when the event took place. The answer to every question you could ask is available to your mind. The information is there; the mind and Mind are one. The problem your mind must solve is determining whether this information fits into your expected view of reality through the paradigm you have created. That's the only problem it ever has to solve and it must continue as long as your attention is focused on it. It is the filtering and refining process of your mind responding to your attention that you just felt, and your paradigm leads you to believe that this activity is awareness. You have learned to accept its limited presentation as all that is available to your conscious view screen. It is all that is available through your paradigm, but it is only a small fraction of what is available to your awareness.When you responded to the first question, the answer came quickly. But it only came quickly because it fit within your paradigm. When you pondered over the next questions, the answers came slowly and only in part, and the activity you felt continued as long as your attention was focused on the question. Even if you consider those questions again, you experience the same activity. The fact is, you experience this activity as long as you are focused on the question, or until you gain awareness. But right now, the focus of your attention may be on the fact that you consciously felt your paradigm for the first time in your life. This may be the first time you have openly admitted that the information you requested is still there, held beyond your conscious view screen by your paradigm. This may be the first time you have come to the realization that as long as the focus of your attention is on the question, the activity you feel is the process of your mind struggling with your attention, filtering and refining your awareness. And you have learned to believe and accept the fact that all that activity, that filtering and refining process in your mind, is awareness.Now, let's consider the implications of this discovery. How much of what we have "accomplished" as humanity has really been an accomplishment? We, as holographically connected spirit beings have "invented" devices such as telephones, radios, computers, and television, as means of communication. We "advanced" from total awareness to walking around, being transported from place to place by animal drawn carts, to automobiles, and to airplanes. We "evolved" from beings able to live in harmony with the earth into societies that build great cities and lay waste to its landscape. When we discover a people who are able to live in harmony with the earth, who can travel the earth and visit the stars in their awareness, we educate them. We teach them to focus their attention on the illusion. What would cause a holographic being to require these "advancements?" The only possible explanation is a loss of awareness. We have simply forgotten who and what we are. ~~~~~~~Thanks for this Shawn. When I came to this part: "The problem your mind must solve is determining whether this information fits into your expected view of reality through the paradigm you have created. That's the only problem it ever has to solve and it must continue as long as your attention is focused on it." I felt a relaxation in my brain and realised what Dan was saying about the brain being a tube. So the information is not in the brain. Hanging looser, gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Gökhan K. " <gokhankutuk> wrote: > Friends, i have a simple question. But i can not > answer this: > > What will happen when one's (upper-)brains are > removed?? > (the person will not die because the " little " > remaining part of the brain will maintain > functionality of the body ,like heart beats etc.) > > I know that " physicaly " the person will be like a > vegetable, wouldn't percieve a thing, senssless. > > My question is this: What does the " self " experience > in this case?? > > WHAT WILL IT PERCIEVE?? Ask Dr. Frank N. Stein, down the next block. He's very helpful with these kinds of operations. Remember, only a first-hand observation really counts! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 > ~~~~~~~Thanks for this Shawn. > > When I came to this part: > " The problem your mind must solve is determining whether this > information fits into your expected view of reality through the > paradigm you have created. That's the only problem it ever has to > solve and it must continue as long as your attention is focused on > it. " > I felt a relaxation in my brain and realised what Dan was saying about the brain being a tube. So the information is not in the brain. > > Hanging looser, > gray Tubular, man! You're making me think all this ridiculous posting is worthwhile! Peace within the tube, Gray, let it flow ... No exlax needed, for you! Hanging by my loose fingernails, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 > ~~~~~~~Thanks for this Shawn.> > When I came to this part:> "The problem your mind must solve is determining whether this > information fits into your expected view of reality through the > paradigm you have created. That's the only problem it ever has to > solve and it must continue as long as your attention is focused on > it."> I felt a relaxation in my brain and realised what Dan was saying about the brain being a tube. So the information is not in the brain.> > Hanging looser,> grayTubular, man!You're making me think all this ridiculousposting is worthwhile! ~~~~~~~Well I am certainly grateful for your 'ridiculous' posts Dan. How to tighten the brain so much that I am aware that it is tight - and then how to loosen it. Peace within the tube, Gray, let it flow ... ~~~~~~Well, it seems to be doing some flushing!No exlax needed, for you! ~~~~~Exlax? I guess this is a laxitive :-)Hanging by my loose fingernails,Dan ~~~~~I guess you see a fair bit of flushing in this (brain) tube - or is it mainly constipation? This flushing flowing is looking to be fun! This post of yours was just what was required here Hugs, gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Hi Gray - > How to tighten the brain so much that I am aware that it is tight - and then how to loosen it. Yes, what has been tightened is now loosened. Everything knotted together is now undone. Pull just one stitch, and the unravelling takes care of itself. There is freedom in the space between every hitch, so whether one moment or a thousand lifetimes matters not, stitch by stitch, time is always undoing itself. > Peace within the tube, Gray, let it flow ... > > ~~~~~~Well, it seems to be doing some flushing! > > No exlax needed, for you! > > ~~~~~Exlax? I guess this is a laxitive :-) Yes, you guessed right, well known brand here in the U.S. Where are you writing from? > ~~~~~I guess you see a fair bit of flushing in this (brain) tube - or is it mainly constipation? It only takes one drop to start a flood. Or, as Lao Tzu said, a flush of a thousand ounces starts with one leak in one brain cell. > This flushing flowing is looking to be fun! > > This post of yours was just what was required here > Hugs, > gray And to you, Gray. Relaxing, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 All experience is a product of our mind, and all experience is dreamlike in nature. ~~ not all.. i guess enlightenment is not a byproduct of the mind... and we solve problems with the heart too... mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Shawn <shawnregan> " <shawnregan> wrote: > All experience is a product of our mind, and all experience is > dreamlike in nature. We have learned to believe that our mind's > participation in reality is awareness. But what we have come to call > awareness, the awareness we use in our experience in consensus > reality, is really the activity of our mind solving the problems of > our perceived reality. Our awareness of our holographic self is > filtered through our paradigm and presented as a comparison or > evaluation of ourselves with others and our place in this movie. It > is through this process that we believe our awareness originates, but > the process itself virtually eliminates the awareness of our nature > as holographically connected beings. The resulting presentation, the > presentation we think of as awareness, is not awareness at all. > Severely filtered to give the illusion of separation from the whole, > what we think is awareness is actually the activity of our mind and > its paradigm. > > And we have been taught to give our attention to this activity. We > have learned to accept this limited presentation and are rewarded for > giving our attention to it. When we are able to focus our attention > on this activity we gain a " place " in our reality and arrive at what > we believe is a self-identity. > > Attention to this paradigm activity, this problem solving activity, > is the foundation on which our social structure is based and is the > driving force for our education system. In our social and > technological paradigm, cultures that have not developed attention to > this process are viewed as backward. Yet, these cultures often > display abilities that cannot be defined within our paradigm. We know > of cultures that never invented the wheel or telescope, yet have > mapped the solar system in a detail that we are just now able to > verify. Isolated, seemingly backward tribes of people have been found > that have accurate descriptions of the stars beyond our solar system. > Other cultures remained isolated in one place on the earth, yet > possessed information and detailed drawings of all the peoples of the > earth. Our scientists ponder these conundrums, searching for an > explanation that fits within their paradigm. But they have never > looked within; they have never looked to the process by which our > mind constructs reality. > > Being consumed every waking moment of our day by the problem solving > activity of our mind is not awareness at all. Each and every thought > we experience has its origin in Mind -- in the pure holographic > potential of The One. There is no other source of thought. Each and > every thought arises in Mind without separation, limitation, or > meaning, and in full Balance between the potential for experience and > holographic awareness of The One. Our natural identity is not > separate from the whole. This holographic awareness is available just > behind the activity of the paradigm, behind the thought activity we > have learned to believe is self-awareness. > > The activity of the mind responds to attention. When your attention > is placed on a question, the mind must run the programs in its > paradigm that result in an experience. When you become aware of the > process, you can actually feel this activity happening. I am going to > ask you a series of questions. After reading each question, close > your eyes for just a moment and ponder the question. Try to feel the > mental activity taking place as you do so. > > What is two times two? > > Okay, your mind ran a program and it appeared to provide the answer. > It took only an instant for your mind to reach into its memory and > extract it. You may not have noticed the problem solving activity of > your mind. > > Now, when did you first learn the answer was four? > > Notice how your mind took a little longer and perhaps even pulled > your awareness back to your school days. You may not recall the exact > instant, but your problem solving mind automatically ran a program > resulting in the awareness that you did, at some time in this > lifetime, memorize the fact that two times two equals four. You went > within. Most likely, you did not come up with a complete answer, but > the answer you got somehow satisfied you. You just know that > information is lost in the past, in your mind, at least. And you have > the feeling that your mind is attempting to solve the problem, to > come up with when you first learned that two plus two equals four. > > Where did you learn it? > > Again, when you are sensitive to the process, you can actually feel > what you believe is your mind attempting to solve the problem. This > is where you were taught to focus your attention in problem solving > activity. You were reconstructing your childhood days, recalling the > schools you went to, or perhaps you saw that terrible times table you > spent hours focused on. And again, you did not come up with a > specific answer. You were satisfied with an answer that fits your > paradigm of recall. And you know, in our social paradigm, total > recall is an exception. Still, you have the feeling that your mind is > actively attempting to solve the problem, to answer the question. You > have the feeling you are thinking about it, pondering it, or > attempting to recall the answer. > > But the mental activity you experience when your mind is facing this > problem is not a recall activity. Your mind knows full well the exact > time and place you first learned that two times two equals four, as > well as who was there and what the whether was like when the event > happened. The entire scene is recorded in exact detail, detail that > goes beyond what you were consciously aware of when the event took > place. The answer to every question you could ask is available to > your mind. The information is there; the mind and Mind are one. > > The problem your mind must solve is determining whether this > information fits into your expected view of reality through the > paradigm you have created. That's the only problem it ever has to > solve and it must continue as long as your attention is focused on > it. It is the filtering and refining process of your mind responding > to your attention that you just felt, and your paradigm leads you to > believe that this activity is awareness. You have learned to accept > its limited presentation as all that is available to your conscious > view screen. It is all that is available through your paradigm, but > it is only a small fraction of what is available to your awareness. > > When you responded to the first question, the answer came quickly. > But it only came quickly because it fit within your paradigm. When > you pondered over the next questions, the answers came slowly and > only in part, and the activity you felt continued as long as your > attention was focused on the question. Even if you consider those > questions again, you experience the same activity. The fact is, you > experience this activity as long as you are focused on the question, > or until you gain awareness. But right now, the focus of your > attention may be on the fact that you consciously felt your paradigm > for the first time in your life. This may be the first time you have > openly admitted that the information you requested is still there, > held beyond your conscious view screen by your paradigm. This may be > the first time you have come to the realization that as long as the > focus of your attention is on the question, the activity you feel is > the process of your mind struggling with your attention, filtering > and refining your awareness. And you have learned to believe and > accept the fact that all that activity, that filtering and refining > process in your mind, is awareness. > > Now, let's consider the implications of this discovery. How much of > what we have " accomplished " as humanity has really been an > accomplishment? We, as holographically connected spirit beings > have " invented " devices such as telephones, radios, computers, and > television, as means of communication. We " advanced " from total > awareness to walking around, being transported from place to place by > animal drawn carts, to automobiles, and to airplanes. We " evolved " > from beings able to live in harmony with the earth into societies > that build great cities and lay waste to its landscape. When we > discover a people who are able to live in harmony with the earth, who > can travel the earth and visit the stars in their awareness, we > educate them. We teach them to focus their attention on the illusion. > What would cause a holographic being to require these " advancements? " > The only possible explanation is a loss of awareness. We have simply > forgotten who and what we are. Sir, Took some time to read this post. All it meant was " ALL WHAT THE MIND CAN PERCIEVE IS UNREAL,REALITY IS BEYOND THE REALMS OF THE MIND OR IT`S SENSE ORGANS " could it be possible that the mind tries in may ways to complicate everything....even the above surmised observation(someone else`s perhaps).....in lengthy statements.....statements definitely read by *MINDS* only? Do you think that memory is only restricted to the *mind*(Parargraph about 2x2=4 etc.)? Jade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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