Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 >All experience is a product of our mind, and all experience is dreamlike in nature. ~~ not all.. i guess enlightenment is not a byproduct of the mind... >and we solve problems with the heart too... mira Hi mira, The heart is just a pump. What you call the heart ( those loving feelings, etc) are in the brain. People hang on to these beliefs because they still attached to some kind of self-survival. The eternal exist, but no one is eternal. All that mira and Dan, and all others eternals want-a-be know, and are aware off exist in the brain, and by the brain, and for the brain. And yes boys and girls, you have a rich uncle called the Absolute, but you never gone see a penny of that inherintance. Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: > >All experience is a product of our mind, and all > experience is > dreamlike in nature. > > ~~ not all.. i guess enlightenment is not a byproduct > of the mind... > >and we solve problems with the heart too... > > mira > > Hi mira, > > The heart is just a pump. What you call the heart ( > those loving feelings, etc) are in the brain. People > hang on to these beliefs because they still attached > to some kind of self-survival. The eternal exist, but > no one is eternal. All that mira and Dan, and all > others eternals want-a-be know, and are aware off > exist > in the brain, and by the brain, and for the brain. And > yes boys and girls, you have a rich uncle called the > Absolute, but you never gone see a penny of that > inherintance. If the heart is only a pump where in the brain is the *mind* situated....or is the entire brain only the mind...if not which portion of the brain is the mind? Jade > > > > > > > > Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Where the mind is, or where the heart is, exactly, is not important. They could be in the brain, heart pump or some ugly little biomass nugget we don't know about yet. The question is: is experience the result of psycho-physiological functioning (regardless of where that functioning occurs)? Or, are various psycho-physiological functionings the result of different experiences, including death of the body. This is certainly not a new question - and historically, it comes down to a question of what comes first (in importance not chronology) - the spiritual or material realm. Are we human beings having spiritual experiences, or are we spiritual beings having human experiences? In our modern scientific dominated view, the physical certainly dominates, but it hasn't always been so. Is even the 'experience' of an unbounded eternal identity the product of psyco-physiological processes - such that when the body fails - that eternity is gone as well? And then, should it matter that this experience of eternity is 'not real' - since we duty-bound to have psycho-physiological functioning - why not select those experiences which are most pleasurable, since all experiences are equally 'untrue'. Religion and spiritual traditions take the view that spirituality comes first, science assumes the material comes first. They seem to be at odds with each other - but they are only points of view, oddly enough, each requiring a leap of faith. Pick the one that you are most comfortable with and you can't go wrong. Larry Nisargadatta , " jade_matrix999 <intensivists@h...> " <intensivists@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > >All experience is a product of our mind, and all > > experience is > > dreamlike in nature. > > > > ~~ not all.. i guess enlightenment is not a byproduct > > of the mind... > > >and we solve problems with the heart too... > > > > mira > > > > Hi mira, > > > > The heart is just a pump. What you call the heart ( > > those loving feelings, etc) are in the brain. People > > hang on to these beliefs because they still attached > > to some kind of self-survival. The eternal exist, but > > no one is eternal. All that mira and Dan, and all > > others eternals want-a-be know, and are aware off > > exist > > in the brain, and by the brain, and for the brain. And > > yes boys and girls, you have a rich uncle called the > > Absolute, but you never gone see a penny of that > > inherintance. > > > If the heart is only a pump where in the brain is the *mind* > situated....or is the entire brain only the mind...if not which > portion of the brain is the mind? > > Jade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 on 2/20/03 5:51 AM, pete seesaw at seesaw1us wrote: >> All experience is a product of our mind, and all > experience is > dreamlike in nature. > > ~~ not all.. i guess enlightenment is not a byproduct > of the mind... >> and we solve problems with the heart too... > > mira > > Hi mira, > > The heart is just a pump. What you call the heart ( > those loving feelings, etc) are in the brain. People > hang on to these beliefs because they still attached > to some kind of self-survival. The eternal exist, but > no one is eternal. All that mira and Dan, and all > others eternals want-a-be know, and are aware off > exist > in the brain, and by the brain, and for the brain. And > yes boys and girls, you have a rich uncle called the > Absolute, but you never gone see a penny of that > inherintance. That's funny, but I thought the teaching was that we *are* the rich uncle. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hi Pete, yeah, when i said heart, i meant that specific aria on the cortex that takes care of the emotions... and yes, the mind is a very powerful tool.. mira Hi mira,The heart is just a pump. What you call the heart (those loving feelings, etc) are in the brain. Peoplehang on to these beliefs because they still attachedto some kind of self-survival. The eternal exist, butno one is eternal. All that mira and Dan, and allothers eternals want-a-be know, and are aware offexistin the brain, and by the brain, and for the brain. Andyes boys and girls, you have a rich uncle called theAbsolute, but you never gone see a penny of thatinherintance. Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, morehttp://taxes./ **To change the message delivery options, go to /mygroups and choose from the drop-down list of message delivery options for this group. See "How to manage your groups link" for more detailed instructions: http://help./help/us/groups/mygroups/mygroups-09.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 The question is: is experience the result of psycho-physiological functioning (regardless of where that functioning occurs)? Or, are various psycho-physiological functionings the result of different experiences, including death of the body. ~~~ i guess that the experience is the result of the psycho-physiological functioning... if there is no functioning, there can't be any experience at all.. This is certainly not a new question - and historically, it comes down to a question of what comes first (in importance not chronology) - the spiritual or material realm. Are we human beings having spiritual experiences, or are we spiritual beings having human experiences? In our modern scientific dominated view, the physical certainly dominates, but it hasn't always been so. ~~~ while i was a christian, i thought that we are spiritual beings having human experience, and once this trip on Earth will be over, we'll go back to our father in heaven... well, now, i believe that we are some poor human beings, and some of those can have here and there a spiritual experience.. we are growing up as humans, not as spirits, firstly.. some of us grow up as spirits .. Is even the 'experience' of an unbounded eternal identity the product of psyco-physiological processes - such that when the body fails - that eternity is gone as well? And then, should it matter that this experience of eternity is 'not real' - since we duty-bound to have psycho-physiological functioning - why not select those experiences which are most pleasurable, since all experiences are equally 'untrue'. ~~~ no, there are real and unreal things, true and untrue... the diference occurs when the man who this happens to can see the true side of the things... if this person can see the bad as bad and good as good, than, what happens to him is "real"! if there is no hiding or running from what is in front of him, he'll have something real going on... if he'll never lie about what is in front of him, that is reality..Religion and spiritual traditions take the view that spirituality comes first, science assumes the material comes first. They seem to be at odds with each other - but they are only points of view, oddly enough, each requiring a leap of faith. Pick the one that you are most comfortable with and you can't go wrong. ~~ exacly ! mira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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