Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 Wow- this guy definitely resonates thanks Toby, ))))))Shawn ******************* There is no virtue in what people commonly call morality. There is only virtue in something that arises from our innermost - from that which comes up from within us and expresses itself outward. We cannot do that through the mind. To do that through the mind is to employ a moral vehicle, a moral structure, and that only makes us self-righteous, makes us judgmental of others. When you have a moral structure and you live by moral standards, then you are a 'somebody' who you perceive is more than somebody else, or less than somebody else. But then it is only a judge who is living. So everything is viewed through comparison, through the judgement of oneself and the judgement of others. Living in a moral code or moral structure is the elimination of love. " Interviewer: At this moment of the interview, I see the bright and powerful eyes of John. Is it a projection that I hear a resonance with the original sayings of Jesus, which have recently by scientists, been re-discovered in the Lost Gospel Q?: 'Don't judge', 'Friend, who made me a judge?', 'Beware, you who call yourselves perfect in your obedience to the lawŠWash the inside of the cup, and it will all be clean'. 'Nothing is secret that will not be revealed'. I ask John about this resonance with Jesus' words, and he gently nods with his head. What then about the saying of Jesus: 'The kingdom of God is among you'? John: " This is what I live in. You can call it the kingdom of God, or the world of everything that God is, or reality or Truth. The universe of God-stuff is within. You cannot find it with the mind, you cannot find it through thoughts, so you cannot use your world to catch it. In that way, it is unassailable. But when the consciousness of a human is completely relaxed and lets itself be quiet and gentle, it finds itself within something that it always knew to be true. It cannot do anything to get there. And it can only be there without effort. One can only be immersed in it through simple, openness and softness of heart. " http://www.johnderuiter.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 His book's great Shawn, " Unveiling Reality " . It just contains transcripts of his meetings... question and answer type stuff... I'm from Melbourne, Australia and I attended one of his meetings in Sydney... incredible man... If you go there to learn something though, you'll be disappointed... there's nothing to be learnt intellectually from this man, just his presence is enough. I could have broken down in tears while in Sydney at the sheer beauty of his true way of being, it melted me inside. He is so simple in his approach. His meetings are in two three hour sessions each day, and generally run for about four or five days. John just sits up the front and just answers questions. Probably about thirty or forty percent of the time, maybe more, is just spent in silence as he stares out into the room. His presence is very powerful. Anyway, in reading over what I've just written, I get the feeling my words don't do him justice. His book would be the best place to start for anyone whose interested. I see if I can post some of it here when I get home from work tonight. Toby > > shawn [sMTP:shawn] > Friday, 21 February 2003 1:24 pm > Nisargadatta > John de Ruiter > > Wow- this guy definitely resonates > thanks Toby, > ))))))Shawn > > ******************* > There is no virtue in what people commonly call morality. There is only > virtue in something that arises from our innermost - from that which comes > up from within us and expresses itself outward. We cannot do that through > the mind. To do that through the mind is to employ a moral vehicle, a moral > structure, and that only makes us self-righteous, makes us judgmental of > others. When you have a moral structure and you live by moral standards, > then you are a 'somebody' who you perceive is more than somebody else, or > less than somebody else. But then it is only a judge who is living. So > everything is viewed through comparison, through the judgement of oneself > and the judgement of others. Living in a moral code or moral structure is > the elimination of love. " > > Interviewer: > At this moment of the interview, I see the bright and powerful eyes of John. > Is it a projection that I hear a resonance with the original sayings of > Jesus, which have recently by scientists, been re-discovered in the Lost > Gospel Q?: 'Don't judge', 'Friend, who made me a judge?', 'Beware, you who > call yourselves perfect in your obedience to the lawSWash the inside of the > cup, and it will all be clean'. 'Nothing is secret that will not be > revealed'. I ask John about this resonance with Jesus' words, and he gently > nods with his head. What then about the saying of Jesus: 'The kingdom of God > is among you'? > > John: " This is what I live in. You can call it the kingdom of God, or the > world of everything that God is, or reality or Truth. The universe of > God-stuff is within. You cannot find it with the mind, you cannot find it > through thoughts, so you cannot use your world to catch it. In that way, it > is unassailable. But when the consciousness of a human is completely relaxed > and lets itself be quiet and gentle, it finds itself within something that > it always knew to be true. It cannot do anything to get there. And it can > only be there without effort. One can only be immersed in it through simple, > openness and softness of heart. " > > <http://www.johnderuiter.com> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 thanks for the post Toby. Sounds interesting. I guess I'll have to attend one of his weekend sessions in Edmonton, since I'm only a short flight away. I'll post my " experience " if and when I see him. Has any one else attended a session with John de Ruiter ? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 on 2/20/03 5:30 PM, Wilson, Toby at toby.wilson wrote: > His book's great Shawn, " Unveiling Reality " . It just contains transcripts of > his meetings... question and answer type stuff... > > I'm from Melbourne, Australia and I attended one of his meetings in Sydney... > incredible man... If you go there to learn something though, you'll be > disappointed... there's nothing to be learnt intellectually from this man, > just his presence is enough. > > I could have broken down in tears while in Sydney at the sheer beauty of his > true way of being, it melted me inside. He is so simple in his approach. > > His meetings are in two three hour sessions each day, and generally run for > about four or five days. John just sits up the front and just answers > questions. Probably about thirty or forty percent of the time, maybe more, is > just spent in silence as he stares out into the room. His presence is very > powerful. > > Anyway, in reading over what I've just written, I get the feeling my words > don't do him justice. His book would be the best place to start for anyone > whose interested. > > I see if I can post some of it here when I get home from work tonight. > > Toby Post some whenever you can, Toby. He sounds great. )))))SHawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 That would be great Mike. Would love to hear of how you went with it, when and if you go. > > Mike_B_ca <mikebc_1 [sMTP:mikebc_1] > Saturday, 22 February 2003 3:38 am > Nisargadatta > Re: John de Ruiter > > thanks for the post Toby. Sounds interesting. I guess I'll have to > attend one of his weekend sessions in Edmonton, since I'm only a > short flight away. I'll post my " experience " if and when I see him. > Has any one else attended a session with John de Ruiter ? > > Mike > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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