Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 We had talked about honesty Shawn. I thought you might appreciate this short exerpt from another meeting with JDR: Questioner: I'm obviously not being honest but I don't know how I'm not being honest. John: Has there been any bitterness? Questioner: There have been subtle reactions, subtle discomfort... John: Has there been any measure of hanging onto it? Has there been any hesitation in letting it go? Has there been any hesitation at all when something grabbed a hold of you, in letting it go? The moment there is just a touch of hesitation to let go, there is dishonesty. When there is insistence on something, then there is real dishonesty. And when you begin justifying and rationalizing it, then honesty is a long way away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 on 3/30/03 1:10 AM, toby20042004 at toby.wilson wrote: > We had talked about honesty Shawn. I thought you might appreciate > this short exerpt from another meeting with JDR: > > Questioner: I'm obviously not being honest but I don't know how I'm > not being honest. > > John: Has there been any bitterness? > > Questioner: There have been subtle reactions, subtle discomfort... > > John: Has there been any measure of hanging onto it? Has there been > any hesitation in letting it go? Has there been any hesitation at > all when something grabbed a hold of you, in letting it go? The > moment there is just a touch of hesitation to let go, there is > dishonesty. When there is insistence on something, then there is > real dishonesty. And when you begin justifying and rationalizing it, > then honesty is a long way away. Toby, Untill the complete and utter surrender happens, what can you do. Who is honest or dishonest. It is of the mind. Are you aware of all the cultic stuff around this guy? http://www.rickross.com/reference/ruiter/ruiter2.html )))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Are you aware of all the cultic stuff around this guy? > > http://www.rickross.com/reference/ruiter/ruiter2.html > > )))))))Shawn i loved it, great article,,,all i could think was from some stupid song *another one bites the dust* just another jerk in my opinion...my husband tried to have three wifes too..hahaha.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 on 3/30/03 5:34 PM, devianandi at devi wrote: > Are you aware of all the cultic stuff around this guy? >> >> http://www.rickross.com/reference/ruiter/ruiter2.html >> >> )))))))Shawn > > i loved it, great article,,,all i could think was from some stupid > song > > *another one bites the dust* > > just another jerk in my opinion...my husband tried to have three > wifes too..hahaha.. I wouldn't go that far, but I do question his all-exalted state especially when there is more evidences of materialism and putting himself on higher evolutionary scale and his seemingly inabilty to consider his wife's feelings and instead making it a " test " for her to accept the fact that he would like to expand his intimate bodily relations. ....but remember, one cannot judge what an awakened being would act like, most especially if they might all be similar. Why would it be so? But following *my* deepest feelings, they are somewhat sceptical and remind one that there are 'many mansions in my father's house.' Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Hi Shawn and Devi, I urge you not too miss out on the true treasure John has to offer because of issues floating around him. If nothing else, have faith in his authenticity because I say it is so. I have met the man. I have read pages and pages of his transcripts, heard many of his recordings and communicated with both Benita and Katrina several times via email. I have encounted, as you have, mountains of critics and varying opinions. But I have never once encounted even a slight hint of divergence from absolute Truth in his teachings. Toby Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 3/30/03 5:34 PM, devianandi at devi@p... wrote: > > > Are you aware of all the cultic stuff around this guy? > >> > >> http://www.rickross.com/reference/ruiter/ruiter2.html > >> > >> )))))))Shawn > > > > i loved it, great article,,,all i could think was from some stupid > > song > > > > *another one bites the dust* > > > > just another jerk in my opinion...my husband tried to have three > > wifes too..hahaha.. > > > I wouldn't go that far, but I do question his all-exalted state especially > when there is more evidences of materialism and putting himself on higher > evolutionary scale and his seemingly inabilty to consider his wife's > feelings and instead making it a " test " for her to accept the fact that he > would like to expand his intimate bodily relations. > > ...but remember, one cannot judge what an awakened being would act like, > most especially if they might all be similar. Why would it be so? But > following *my* deepest feelings, they are somewhat sceptical and remind one > that there are 'many mansions in my father's house.' > > Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 > > > > just another jerk in my opinion...my husband tried to have three > > wifes too..hahaha.. > > > I wouldn't go that far, but I do question his all-exalted state especially > when there is more evidences of materialism and putting himself on higher > evolutionary scale and his seemingly inabilty to consider his wife's > feelings and instead making it a " test " for her to accept the fact that he > would like to expand his intimate bodily relations. > > ...but remember, one cannot judge what an awakened being would act like, > most especially if they might all be similar. Why would it be so? But > following *my* deepest feelings, they are somewhat sceptical and remind one > that there are 'many mansions in my father's house.' > > Shawn devi: i didn't say he was not enlightened, i just have high standards about how i think an international teacher should behave...and of course, everything is as it should be, so is my stating those words..i sympathized with his wife, too, and remember that there are many people out there who think they are the messiah and/or jesus christ..i know a few personally...you know if there is only one being then that one being would be able to make a claim like that...through all these seemingly speareate bodies and forms...i personally think that Meher Baba was Jesus Christ returned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 > Hi Shawn and Devi, > > I urge you not too miss out on the true treasure John has to offer > because of issues floating around him. If nothing else, have faith > in his authenticity because I say it is so. I have met the man. I > have read pages and pages of his transcripts, heard many of his > recordings and communicated with both Benita and Katrina several > times via email. I have encounted, as you have, mountains of critics > and varying opinions. But I have never once encounted even a slight > hint of divergence from absolute Truth in his teachings. > > Toby i see that he thinks he's something special, i've gone through that too, and so do most realizaers...what a realizer does with it is up to God..if johns group needs to think that they are following someone special, like the messiah, then that's what god will provide for them, it won't last...this is an illusion, a dream, that would be a group illusion or dream...i hope john nows that, if he doesn't now, he will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 Contempt prior to complete investigation will enslave a man (or woman) to ignorance. Toby > i see that he thinks he's something special, i've gone through that > too, and so do most realizaers...what a realizer does with it is up > to God..if johns group needs to think that they are following someone > special, like the messiah, then that's what god will provide for > them, it won't last...this is an illusion, a dream, that would be a > group illusion or dream...i hope john nows that, if he doesn't now, > he will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2003 Report Share Posted April 1, 2003 on 4/1/03 1:23 AM, toby20042004 at toby.wilson wrote: > > Contempt prior to complete investigation will enslave a man (or > woman) to ignorance. > > Toby Contempt even after complete investigation is not so great! )))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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