Guest guest Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <devi@p...> wrote: > > > > > Nonduality takes no position> > > > Hur > > devi: where did you get that from...wayne liquorman? look, war is a > terrible thing, you know it, hell is an awefull place to go to, tell > me, you take no position when you see a child being raped,,you just > stand there and say, i take no position, please, get real here...it's > not true.... based on our biological and environmental programming, we take a position. that's what motivates us while we imagine that we are making that decision. in that sense, we're like robots manipulated by our programming. for example, the main difference between the american media and the foreign media nowadays is that the foreign media is showing more images of injured civilians. clearly there are millions of americans (nearly 70% according to the polls) who support this war, despite the cost. depending on which side you're on, it's easy to accuse the other side of being brainwashed. when i stated that nonduality takes no position, i was referring not to our particular cultural conditioning but to Consciousness in which these events play. regardless of which side we take and no matter how noble one's position may be, if one is not aware of the witnessing and consciousness, one is still caught in the play...and that's ok too...or not. in the last few years i've often quoted a particular section from " i am that " ...not that it's a holy book or " divine " guidance or the final word in this matter but here it is again: " Questioner: The war is on. What is your attitude to it? Maharaj: In some place or other, in some form or other, the war is always on. Was there a time when there was no war? Some say it is the will of God. Some say it is God's play. It is another way of saying that wars are inevitable and nobody is responsible. Q: But what is your attitude? M: Why impose attitudes on me? I have no attitude to call my own. Q: Surely somebody is responsible for this horrible and senseless carnage. Why do people kill each other so readily? M: Search for the culprit within. The ideas of 'me' and 'mine' are at the root of all conflict. Be free of them and you will be out of conflict. " http://nisargadatta.net/IamThat5.html hur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2003 Report Share Posted March 31, 2003 Nonduality takes no position> > > > > > based on our biological and environmental programming, we take a > position. that's what motivates us while we imagine that we are > making that decision. in that sense, we're like robots manipulated > by our programming. for example, the main difference between the > american media and the foreign media nowadays is that the foreign > media is showing more images of injured civilians. clearly there are > millions of americans (nearly 70% according to the polls) who support > this war, despite the cost. depending on which side you're on, it's > easy to accuse the other side of being brainwashed. when i stated > that nonduality takes no position, i was referring not to our > particular cultural conditioning but to Consciousness in which these > events play. regardless of which side we take and no matter how > noble one's position may be, if one is not aware of the witnessing > and consciousness, one is still caught in the play...and that's ok > too...or not. > > in the last few years i've often quoted a particular section from " i > am that " ...not that it's a holy book or " divine " guidance or the > final word in this matter but here it is again: > > " Questioner: The war is on. What is your attitude to it? > > Maharaj: In some place or other, in some form or other, the war is > always on. Was there a time when there was no war? Some say it is the > will of God. Some say it is God's play. It is another way of saying > that wars are inevitable and nobody is responsible. > > Q: But what is your attitude? > > M: Why impose attitudes on me? I have no attitude to call my own. > > Q: Surely somebody is responsible for this horrible and senseless > carnage. Why do people kill each other so readily? > > M: Search for the culprit within. The ideas of 'me' and 'mine' are at > the root of all conflict. Be free of them and you will be out of > conflict. " > > http://nisargadatta.net/IamThat5.html > > hur i think you can say that nisargadatta takes no position, that ramesh baleskar takes no position and that wayne liquorman takes no position, that you take no position, but to speak for all the realized being on the planet,,and All realized beings have realized non-duality, i'm not so sure that they would totally have the same thoughts your having..yes yes, i know all about biological and environment programming,,i don't accept anything less than everything is being done by God's Will, i don't ascribe to free will and free choice..i just don't think that all realized beings will just sit in no position...i'm sure they totally understand whats happening, still, a position can be taken, for the sake of a teaching, even... oh, I Am That...is a holy book and definitly divine guidance, it's one of two books i read, since the summer, one is God Speaks, and i'm reading that because i'm typing itno the internet,,,I AM That i read for the pure pleasre in it..smiles you see, someone in my club posted a short speech by wayne liquorman, and in it he basically stated that he was the representitive here on earth for all non-duality,,it aggrivated me... did you know that nisargadatta did not see physical plane reality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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