Skippylove

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on 4/2/03 8:24 AM, devianandi at devi wrote:

 

>

>>

>> I am sorry, Devi,

>

> no problem, your extremely nice compared to most of the other men on

> other lists..

 

 

...well thank you, the gunas *do* affect me.

 

 

> I didn't mean to sggest You were arrogant, only that some things

> typed

>> appeared that way. You are right, it is my interpretation. If one

> is having

>> a delusion now, how can one admit to it?

>

> devi: no, i'm not having a delusion now, i used to have delusions,

> thinking i was a famous personality from previous lives.i've thought

> that i was an alien. or that realizaiton was had by one out of a

> million and i was lucky enought to be one of those one out of a

> million...would you like to meet some other realizers,,,theres jeff,

> gangak, judi, greg, geene jody? i've been talking with them since the

> summer..?

 

No,non ,no keep them away! lol

 

 

> We all know we exist. What is this knowledge you

> speak about?

> devi: we all may know that we exist but there are different levels of

>>> knowing this,,,enlightenment is the deepest level..

 

 

There are no levels ultimately.

 

 

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> devi: i don't know if its perfectly obvious,,,if you've realized it

> on all the levels then why are you still confused?

 

Everytime i think I am this body-mind and I am a doer, there is confusion.

Enlightenment to me, means this doesn't happen anymore at all. The ego is

seen thru so completely that the natural state of Being Only is

Ever-apparent and natural....this to me represents what I call

enlightenment. But then again, I turn to Sri Ramana Maharshi and Mr. Natural

for my inspiration.

 

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>

> this is the best description of realization that i'v seen: it was

> written by meher baba

>

>

>

> NIRVANA is that state where apparently " God Is Not "

> This is the only state where

> " God Is Not " and

> " Consciousness Is "

> this experience of the first stage of Fana

> is what Buddha emphasized

> but later on it was misinterpreted

> as Buddha having emphasized that there was no God

> the reality, however

> is that God Is;

> but in the absolute vacuum state of the first stage of Fana

> only consciousness remains experiencing " Absolute Vacuum "

> as it can never happen for God not to exist

> in the state of Nirvana

> God plays the part of consciousness itself

> which consciousness is sometimes termed super-consciousness or " Maha-

> Chaitanya "

> the second stage of Fana must immediately and invariable follow this

> Nirvan state

> and the " I Am God " state is experienced consciously

> the first stage of Fana is thus immediately followed by the second

> state of Fana called " Fana-Fillah "

> where the annihilated false and limited ego or " I " is replaced by the

> real and infinite, unlimited " I "

> on which the super-consciousness now becomes automatically focused

> simultaneously

> the " Absolute Vacuum " is automatically filled by the experience of

> the Infinite.

> the super-consciousness of God in the man state, as man now fixed and

> focused on the unlimited " I "

> spontaneously identifies man with God the Infinite.

> Simultaneously with the identification, the super-consciousness of

> God the Infinite experiences the " I Am God " state.

> This is the GOAL.

> attainment of the Goal is to attain the " Nirvikalpa-Samadhi "

 

 

I don't agree with this at all. Sahaj is the highest and natural state

according to all the big guys I've read. Nirvikalpa denies the natural

perception of objects.

 

 

 

>> Is realisation dependent on anything?

>> One the one hand one could say it depends upon the disposition, the

> point of

>> view, the asana...but on the other hand, what can one say except

> that it

>> depends on Grace. What *is* Grace?

>

>

> devi: grace is something good that happends to you when you don't

> except it?

 

Yes, and more...it is the the power of Love freely flowing from us all and

everywhere available. It is Shakti, herself. It is the transforming Power of

what IS.

 

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>

> devi:really, i've been watching you for some months now and i thought

> you were a very agressive woman...now that i see your a man, i

> understand and think that your aggressivness is low compared to some

> of the other baracuda on the internet...

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I really don't like fighting, and I realise that Any ideas I may have that

are so strong as to cause an emotional flustering when contradicted by

another is a sign of attatchment and identification that needs to be looked

at more closely by myself.

 

That being said, I do think it serves a pupose to argue nicely without

getting personal and without malice. And if all this spiritual stuff does

not end up in love, then it is really worthless from the get-go, hmmm?

))))))))))))

 

 

> i say that Baba Hari Dass is my Guru, but i've had alot of help from

> other sourses...i actually didn't accept Him as my Guru till after

> realization..i think upon just seeing Him a few times pushed me over

> the edge..is your wife into nisargaddataa? where do you live? i'm in

> california

> and let me know if you want to meet some other realizers,

 

 

My wife is not much interested in this stuff. We're on the Big Island of

Hawaii.

 

))))))))Shawn

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on 4/2/03 9:39 AM, shawn at shawn wrote:

 

>

>> i say that Baba Hari Dass is my Guru, but i've had alot of help from

>> other sourses...i actually didn't accept Him as my Guru till after

>> realization..i think upon just seeing Him a few times pushed me over

>> the edge..is your wife into nisargaddataa? where do you live? i'm in

>> california

>> and let me know if you want to meet some other realizers,

 

 

I'm confused again. ;-)

 

You say you didn't accept him till *after* realisation and yet then you say

seeing him pushed you over.

 

)))Shawn