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>“any realized being can say i eat, i sleep, i am a blond, i am realized.in the past, spiritual experiences remained a private affair, thats not the case today..after you leave creation in nirvakalpa samadhi and after you come back to creation from nirvikalpa samadhi, there is a very small ego left. that very small ego can say i am enlightenend >and it would be the truth”

 

Hi Devi,

 

Let me start by saying that nothing I’m going to say below is intended to disprove your assertion that you are enlightened. I simply contribute these thoughts to put out my position on enlightenment.

 

>any realized being can say i eat< If the realized being were speaking in everyday sloppy language it could, but it would be aware that the statement is inaccurate, the body eats, and he/she is not the body. I doubt realization would say I’m realized, because realization is infinite awareness and openness, and an (I) or an identity is a center of experiencing which is in essence a limitation.

 

An ego big or small knows only memories and when it says, I am enlightened it means,

I remember certain experiences I now categorize as enlightenment and claim for myself.

It might be useful for the ego to do this because it puts it on a straightjacket, it forces the

mind to be more aware of the delusion of owning anything, specially, spiritual experiences.

 

Thank you for the input,

 

Pete

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p.Let me start by saying that nothing I'm going to say below is

intended to disprove your assertion that you are enlightened. I

simply contribute these thoughts to put out my position on

enlightenment.

 

d.ok, thank you, i appreciate that attitude

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d.any realized being can say i eat

p.If the realized being were speaking in everyday sloppy language it

could, but it would be aware that the statement is inaccurate, the

body eats, and he/she is not the body.

d: yes, thats true, the body eats...but i don't think that all

*realizer* necessarily think abut such matters...which reminds me of

the first time i ever had a similar thought.about 2 years ago..i had

written babaji a letter asking how the health of his caretaker

was,,,he wrote me she was fine but her two legs wouldn't carry

her...i thought that was so odd at first...because i am so used to

hearing statements like..she can't walk or she's fat..etc etc...i

think it's a cultural thing how indians translate,,,but it's

intersting lanuage and communication, and it does make perfect sense..

 

P. I doubt realization would say I'm realized, because realization is

infinite awareness and openness, and an (I) or an identity is a

center of experiencing which is in essence a limitation.

 

devi: you can have as many doubts as you wish...i once asked a woman

what she thought liberation was and she said the ability to bi-

locate...material and dematerialize...

 

p. An ego big or small knows only memories and when it says, I am

enlightened it means,

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> I remember certain experiences I now categorize as enlightenment

and claim for myself.

 

devi: who do you think is enlightened,? is adyashanti enlightened,

according to you no,,,because after his enlightenement he went back

and remembered his childhood growing up and things his teacher said

to HIm.and put it in a written form...even nisargadatta always

remembered what His Guru said to HIm..it seems to me that you think

enlightenement is amnesia? when i went to see my Guru after many

years of not seeing Him, He remembered me from the past...

 

 

 

p. It might be useful for the ego to do this because it puts it on a

straightjacket, it forces the mind to be more aware of the delusion

of owning anything, specially, spiritual experiences.

 

devi: the ego has a lot of useful functions, it's not the enemy,

 

p. Thank you for the input,

d.your welcome

 

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