Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 The fact that Wayne has split himself into two identities (which is itself a > sign of psychosis) shows me that his understanding is intellectual only and > the Self has not *come forward* to claim it's rightful place as *head of the > household.* devi: interesting way of putting it...when i first read a wayne *piece* talking about the differnce of ram ztu and wayne, i was put off...but i *can* imagine that he is enlightened and just doing a lila. i don't really think he believes that there is a ramzue and a wayne. he's just goofing around... > > It is my opinion at this time that his " causal body " is still very much > intact causing him to split the unresolved differences, ( really just > tendency to identify with the body) in a way that makes sense to the mind. > > If there is a sense of seperateness, then there is still work to be done. devi: have you read *autobiography of a yogi*? it's my understanding that after *realiztion* the realizer can work from differernt bodies,,i'm not saying this is the case with wayne,,,i'm just sugesting a possibility.. shawn. did you read the other intervieew with susan segal, neelam and shati mai? i though the nelam one was the best...the other ones sounded like nut cases.. smiles from devi > > > )))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 <shawn@w...> wrote: > > > The fact that Wayne has split himself into two identities (which is itself a > sign of psychosis) shows me that his understanding is intellectual only and > the Self has not *come forward* to claim it's rightful place as *head of the > household.* > > It is my opinion at this time that his " causal body " is still very much > intact causing him to split the unresolved differences, ( really just > tendency to identify with the body) in a way that makes sense to the mind. OH! so true Shawn, I went to see him last month at Hermosa Beach .. and lef....same reason... K > > If there is a sense of seperateness, then there is still work to be done. > > > )))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 > If there is a sense of seperateness, then there is still work to be > done. > )))))))))Shawn Work? This surprises me coming from you Shawn. Doing work cannot bring oneness, you know that. Toby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 on 4/17/03 7:11 PM, toby20042004 at toby.wilson wrote: >> If there is a sense of seperateness, then there is still work to be >> done. > >> )))))))))Shawn > > > Work? This surprises me coming from you Shawn. Doing work cannot > bring oneness, you know that. > > Toby There must be effort untill the spontaneous surrender " happens. " What else can you do? )))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 on 4/17/03 4:07 PM, devianandi at devi wrote: > devi: have you read *autobiography of a yogi*? it's my understanding > that after *realiztion* the realizer can work from differernt > bodies,,i'm not saying this is the case with wayne,,,i'm just > sugesting a possibility.. Even before realization this can be done....it is not indicative of realization. Autobio of a Yogi was my introduction to the Eastern ways back in the early 70's. Also Ram Das's _The Only Dance There Is_. > shawn. did you read the other intervieew with susan segal, neelam and > shati mai? i though the nelam one was the best...the other ones > sounded like nut cases.. I haven't read them yet. > smiles from devi )))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 on 4/17/03 6:09 PM, satkartar7 at mi_nok wrote: > I went to see > him last month at Hermosa Beach .. > and lef....same reason... > > K I went to grade school in Hermosa. I hear it's all Jags and Mercedeseseszzzz now. What a great place to take money from spiritual seekers! ))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 > > There must be effort untill the spontaneous surrender " happens. " > > What else can you do? > > )))))Shawn What's the effort for? Toby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 > > There must be effort untill the spontaneous surrender " happens. " > > What else can you do? > > )))))Shawn What's the effort for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 4/17/03 6:09 PM, satkartar7 at mi_nok wrote: > > > I went to see > > him last month at Hermosa Beach .. > > and lef....same reason... > > > > K > > I went to grade school in Hermosa. I hear it's all Jags and Mercedeseseszzzz > now. What a great place to take money from spiritual seekers! > > ))))))Shawn hhaha Hermosa Beach is plush marble and moneeeey! love, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 If there is a sense of seperateness, then there is still work to be done. Shawn Work? This surprises me coming from you Shawn. Doing work cannot bring oneness, you know that. Toby There must be effort untill the spontaneous surrender " happens. " What else can you do? Shawn it seems that there are so many enlightened being and many of them contradict each other. so, in this my last reading from tony parsons website tony parson is saying eckart tolle's teaching is false..tony parson teaching is better..i say that they are both short of enlightenement.. again, i did not see evidence that tony parson is enlightened, i only see evidence that he's having some sort of experience of oneness..and he's got a few things figured out....which is very nice for him, but thats not enlightenement...anyone remember the beatles song,,i am the walrus, you are me and i am you and we are all together,,,it's not that difficult to get oneness. also, nisargadatta says in *i am That* that each teacher will teach how they learned,,,so, someone who has had a spontaneous enlightenment might say that there is nothing to do to get it, but someone who's done yoga for 7 years and get it will say do yoga... my thought is that those getting spontaneos enlightenment have done the work in the past and they can sit down and relax into the enlightened consciousness. it's the fruit, enlightenment is a result of either going through the natural process of evolution or it is a result of doing something to get it...those waiting for it to happen naturally will take a longer time to get it then those actually working on it... i'd like to give some advise here..look into the ancient teaching of india where most of this enlightenment business started and compare it with what these people you think have realized recently are stating... the experience of oneness can be gotten from taking a drug, it's not enlightenment... and if you want to speed up your process to get enlightenment, do yoga, spiritual practice, if not for enlightenment then for to make your life as peaceful and balanced as possible...and i am not talking about doing asana to make your body strong, i'm talking about all the 8 limbs of ashtanga yoga smiles that was fun for first thing in the morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 > > > devi: have you read *autobiography of a yogi*? it's my understanding > > that after *realiztion* the realizer can work from differernt > > bodies,,i'm not saying this is the case with wayne,,,i'm just > > sugesting a possibility.. > > > Even before realization this can be done....it is not indicative of > realization. devi: i did't say it was, the point of the statement was how a realized being can work after realization...and i was pointing to the chpter in autobiography of a yogi where sri yktswar manifests to yogananda after his mahasamadhi and explains about who he had taken on the job of liberationg causal bodied beings, so thats where ykstwar was *stationed*,,see what i was talking about now? > > Autobio of a Yogi was my introduction to the Eastern ways back in the early > 70's. Also Ram Das's _The Only Dance There Is_. devi::be here now by ram dass and autobiography of a yogi were my wake up calls too... > > > > shawn. did you read the other intervieew with susan segal, neelam and > > shati mai? i though the nelam one was the best...the other ones > > sounded like nut cases.. > > > I haven't read them yet. they are fairly interesting,,,better then the tony parsons read in my opinion, i particularly like reading the women. neelam and shanti mai.. > > > > > smiles from devi > )))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 > > > I went to see > > him last month at Hermosa Beach .. > > and lef....same reason... > > devi: satkar, you didn't tell me you went to see him...next time you go see one of those guys let me know,,i want you to ask them questions for me...? you know one thing that impresses me about wayne is his love and devotion towards ramesh....that's his best quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Nisargadatta , " toby20042004 " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > > > There must be effort untill the spontaneous surrender " happens. " > > > > What else can you do? > > > > )))))Shawn > > > What's the effort for? > > Toby devi: it is to get enlightened! don't listen to people who say theres no such thing, or you already are,,,they are having an experience...one that you haven't had yet,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Hi everyone ! When I posted the Wayne's file I did not think it would bring any special reaction. I happy it did however, positive as negative. I do not pronounce myself for him being realised or not. I do not care in fact. I like his books and went to see him once in Montreal (Québec). I like him a lot too. I think realisation is a myth, a trick of the Mind good only for seekers (that is: people searching to be other than what they are in the Here and Now). All there is is an experience of " Consciousness " unique in each person. You must know that a lot of people did not believe Ramana Maharshi was realised, some must have tell it about Nisargadatta, Krishnamurti or U.G. too. Personally I do not use those words (enlightened, awakened or realised) anymore. It means nothing. All I know is if a teaching and a teacher touch my heart. And I know that some like Osho, Sai baba or Tolle don't. Some other like Nisargadatta, balsekar, Wayne, U.G., Poonja and Krishnamurti have a resonance in me. I do not believe in effort. Nothing brings the " sudden change " , the metanoia. Consciousness is already doing what it want with us and we do not have the choice (as Ramana Maharshi says). Bye! Have a nice Easter week-end....Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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