Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 >Pete wote: >"As far as enlightened people acquiring free will or special powers >is all hogwash dreamed up by their followers. The only power they >acquire is the one to only want what is going to happen anyway. So it >seems they always get what they wish." >(What page of your book was that from Pete? ;-)) P: The best, page zero. ;-) >This reminded me of:>"The first dying is letting message of power pass away, the letting >go of cold holding within to accomplish or get something. The next >more gentle dying is letting go of the personal benefit of the first >dying. It is such a profound dying within that makes the self >trustworthy. Having a self that has no appetite for power, while at >the same time not throwing its power away but very gently being being >in its power."- JDR P: Yes, The greatest power of all is not to use or want any. I always smile when people mention ‘the will of God.’ What use could God have for a will? Didn’t he create a perfect universe? Did he goof? For God, or a sage all is perfection. What need could there be for power, will, or miracles. Thanks for the input, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Pete, It seems choice does not demonstrate freedom, but rather, a man is free to the extent he does not need to choose. Toby Nisargadatta , " Juansi Nulo " <Juansi2@m...> wrote: > >Pete wote: > > > " As far as enlightened people acquiring free will or special powers > >is all hogwash dreamed up by their followers. The only power they > >acquire is the one to only want what is going to happen anyway. So it > >seems they always get what they wish. " > >(What page of your book was that from Pete? ;-)) > > > > P: The best, page zero. ;-) > > >This reminded me of: > > > " The first dying is letting message of power pass away, the letting > >go of cold holding within to accomplish or get something. The next > >more gentle dying is letting go of the personal benefit of the first > >dying. It is such a profound dying within that makes the self > >trustworthy. Having a self that has no appetite for power, while at > >the same time not throwing its power away but very gently being being > >in its power. " > - JDR > > > > P: Yes, The greatest power of all is not to use or want any. I always smile when people mention 'the will of God.' What use could God have for a will? Didn't he create a perfect universe? Did he goof? For God, or a sage all is perfection. > > What need could there be for power, will, or miracles. > > > > Thanks for the input, > > > > Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 on 4/25/03 1:18 PM, toby20042004 at toby.wilson wrote: > Pete, > > It seems choice does not demonstrate freedom, but rather, a man is > free to the extent he does not need to choose. > > Toby > Toby!!! ))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 on 4/25/03 1:18 PM, toby20042004 at toby.wilson wrote: > Pete, > > It seems choice does not demonstrate freedom, but rather, a man is > free to the extent he does not need to choose. > > Toby You are the man, man! Got a dhotto? (big smiles) The best thing I've read in a long while! Thanks! ))))))))Shawn .....and devi, I'm sory to dis' you...but you are *full* of it! Buy a clue! ))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 a man is > free to the extent he does not need to choose. > > Toby > > > > thats a great statement toby..! can you live without making choices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 - > > ....and devi, I'm sory to dis' you...but you are *full* of it! Buy a clue! > > ))))))))Shawn devi: by your own admission shawn, you are still ignorant, and by my own admission i am not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 on 4/25/03 4:12 PM, devianandi at devi wrote: > devi: by your own admission shawn, you are still ignorant, and by my > own admission i am not... Devi, You must exist in a world full of enablers. You are ignorant in spite if yourself! And in spite of your Self. ))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Stop it Shawn!!! Stop it!!! You're disrupting my egoless way of being. ;-) Toby Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 4/25/03 1:18 PM, toby20042004 at toby.wilson@t... wrote: > > > Pete, > > > > It seems choice does not demonstrate freedom, but rather, a man is > > free to the extent he does not need to choose. > > > > Toby > > > You are the man, man! Got a dhotto? (big smiles) The best thing I've read > in a long while! Thanks! > > ))))))))Shawn > > ....and devi, I'm sory to dis' you...but you are *full* of it! Buy a clue! > > ))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Hi Devi, Choice illustrates preference. Preference, however subtle, stems out of duality. And living in duality is the cause of distorted seeing. When we cease to play an active role in our own life, we become empty inside. We become choiceless. In doing so, we let the infinite run us, rather than " us " running us. Once this much is done, what choices are left? Toby Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <devi@p...> wrote: > > a man is > > free to the extent he does not need to choose. > > > > Toby > > > > > > > > thats a great statement toby..! can you live without making choices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 > > > devi: by your own admission shawn, you are still ignorant, and by my > > own admission i am not... > > Devi, > > You must exist in a world full of enablers. You are ignorant in spite if > yourself! And in spite of your Self. > > ))))Shawn devi: I realized God or Self when i was 28 years old, i did it through practicing unconditional love, meditation on God and Gods saints, deep meditation and purification of the physical and mental bodies and worlds. i had an *extremely* strong desire to get enlightenened.. that makes me fairly extraordinary as i knew exactly what i wanted and knew how to get it at a very early age. i was graced. i did not want enlightenment to be able to spout volumes of discourse about whether theres free choice or not or whether nirvana is here or there. You just can't stand the thought of an attractive jewish woman from nyc thats has 5 children being more realied than you.. so now, i ask that you just refrain from *dising* me, and calling me names and putting me down,, i thought you were a nice peson when i came here, i see that deep down you not otherwise you wouldn't be so mean to a realized soul.....you have alot of work to do on yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 > Hi Devi, > > Choice illustrates preference. Preference, however subtle, stems out > of duality. And living in duality is the cause of distorted seeing. > > When we cease to play an active role in our own life, we become empty > inside. We become choiceless. In doing so, we let the infinite run > us, rather than " us " running us. Once this much is done, what choices > are left? > > Toby i live without choices for many many years when faced with a choice to go right or left i always chose right and when faced with a choice of red or blue i always choose blue...it's like i decided along time ago what all my preferences were..also, *realized* beings always naturallly gravitate to the perfect of two apparent choices.. when i was trying to get enlightened *surrender* was a big part of my practice...eventually it becomes a habit, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 karta:Shawn ignorant?! devi: yes, shawn admits to being *unenlightened*, he hasn't gotten it yet. karta:Devi WAKE UP! what do want here? do you want to learb? devi: karta; how many times do i have to tell you, i am completely awake. and no, i don't want to learn, i came here because i like nisargadatta and enjoy posting and reading his words.. karta:do you have a clue about Nisargadatta and His teachings?! besides your Copy & Paste gurus-wisdom devi: i probably have a bigger clue then you do... karta:Shawn and others are *Real Nisargadatta disciples here, devi: well then they should act the part, karta:I want to share and learn, and to read your flashy jiving: with an agenda is just bandwich devi: look moron: i don't have an agenda, and i think you should keep you lieing mind to yourself. Ramesh: " It is wanting that is the cause of bondage, irrespective of whether that wanting is for some material benefit or for realization. Man's viewpoint has become so inverted that he thinks of effortless, unfathomable contentment as an abnormal condition that must be attained through want by some special positive " spiritual " efforts! " awareness-love, Karta devi: i think you should get out of my god-realiztion club now karta.. and by the way, awareness is a nice practice but the goal of practicing awareness is to realzie your self in nirvan..after you do that then maybe you'll offer me apologies. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 on 4/26/03 4:52 AM, devianandi at devi wrote: > You just can't stand the thought of an attractive > jewish woman from nyc thats has 5 children being more realied than > you.. > so now, i ask that you just refrain from *dising* me, and calling me > names and putting me down,, i thought you were a nice peson when i > came here, i see that deep down you not otherwise you wouldn't be so > mean to a realized soul.....you have alot of work to do on yourself Why on earth would I care if you were attractive or not? Jewish or not? From NYC or the Southern part of France? I don't! You are clearly deluded...... You say I am mean, but this is in your mind, and you are clearly still living there. ))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 You just can't stand the thought of an attractive jewish woman from nyc thats has 5 children being more realied than you..so now, i ask that you just refrain from *dising* me, and calling menames and putting me down,, i thought you were a nice peson when i came here, i see that deep down you not otherwise you wouldn't be so mean to a realized soul.....you have alot of work to do on yourself shawn:Why on earth would I care if you were attractive or not? Jewish or not? From > NYC or the Southern part of France? devi: i don't know shawn, i just can't seem to understand why you can't fathom to yourself that i am realized. what kind of expectations do you have about realizion.? realization doesn't make you a genious or a philosopher...it just makes you know the truth > I don't! > > You are clearly deluded...... devi: i am realized, not deluded, the only thing thats clear here is that you can't accept that fact and really it's a pity because until you do you wont get realized... > > You say I am mean, but this is in your mind, and you are clearly still > living there. > devi: oh come on, you think your behavior towards me is kind,,get real, your being mean you have no idea about me, i am realized...thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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