Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 > Am I wrong?>Well we can't both be right. ;-)TobyWhy not? (((: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 > devi: quote from steve " Devi is enlightened in my humble opinion " > > > > now shawn you better keep your word and stop harassing me.. > > shawn: Why should you be bothered by what i think or say? devi: maybe to show you that your being hurtful to someone and until you drop that negative trait your not going to get it..maybe you've got something to work out and it's my job to help you do that > shawn:Do you still identify with *your* feelings, *your* thoughts, *your* body, etc? devi: forget about me and concentrate on you, > >shawn:Am I harrassing you? devi: yes > >shawn: I said I would quit egging you on, devi: right, egging/harrassing shawn: and it was not a promise, devi: oh, so it appears that your not a man of your word, you have no integrity? shawn: and I though i would untill you brought " back-up! " Sheesh! devi: you told me too shawn, shawn: Why should you care? What do you want? What do you need? Who am I? devi: stop questioning me shawn, i already told you i am realized, those questions aren't important to me, and you should be trying to figure things out for yourself. shawn:What trem said is true, you are...but whether you know it or not is unclear > to others....so what? devi: > shawn:I am just theater here.. devi: what you are to me is a hurtful pain in the ass whose making my presence in this club feel unwelcome and threatened...if steve hadn't come along i would have left shawn:I love you regardless.. devi: i don't think so shawn, and if you do, you have a strange way of showing it ..shawn:.I *do* think you might tone down your mouth because it looks as if you're really getting upset, especially with Karta, and it makes Realisers look kinda like shit... devi: i agree, it makes realizers look like shit, whats happening is very upsettig to me, but i think *unrealizers* can learn from that too. shawn:it doesn't help with any of the " taking things personally BS " that everyone seems to suffer from when they mistakenly identify with the bodymind. devi: you mistakenly identify with your body/mond complex, don't accuse me of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 on 4/29/03 5:21 AM, devianandi at devi wrote: > shawn: and I though i would untill you brought " back-up! " Sheesh! > devi: you told me too shawn, Where did you get this idea? I asked if anyone believed you because I couldn't fathom that as a fact, but I did not expect or ask you to go get me a 4 out 5 dentists agree list! That is rather pathetic..... who cares? If you are enlightened, it is self evident and you don't need to prove it to anyone....but it would seem that you've an agenda to fulfill and it hinges upon others' recognition of you. )))))))))Shawn > shawn: Why should you care? What do you want? What do you need? Who > am I? > devi: stop questioning me shawn, i already told you i am realized, > those questions aren't important to me, and you should be trying to > figure things out for yourself. > shawn:What trem said is true, you are...but whether you know it or > not is unclear >> to others....so what? > devi: >> > shawn:I am just theater here.. > devi: what you are to me is a hurtful pain in the ass whose making my > presence in this club feel unwelcome and threatened...if steve hadn't > come along i would have left > > shawn:I love you regardless.. > devi: i don't think so shawn, and if you do, you have a strange way > of showing it > .shawn:.I *do* think you might tone down your mouth because it looks > as if you're really getting upset, especially with Karta, and it > makes Realisers look kinda like shit... > devi: i agree, it makes realizers look like shit, whats happening is > very upsettig to me, but i think *unrealizers* can learn from that > too. > > > shawn:it doesn't help with any of the " taking things personally BS " > that everyone seems to suffer from when they mistakenly identify with > the bodymind. > > devi: you mistakenly identify with your body/mond complex, don't > accuse me of that > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 on 4/29/03 10:26 AM, steve at spirit5562000 wrote: > I am going to be unsubbing from this group now, but before I go I > just want to say that Devi did clarify this on the other group, for > someone else said the same thing as you Shawn. They said something > like why do you need someone else to verify that you are enlightened, > etc. Devi explained to him that wasn't the purpose, she knew you > would never believe her no matter what anybody else said, the point > was just to stop you from bothering her on this list. She believes > you two had a deal, if anyone thought she was enlightened, you would > leave her alone. Now I do not know anything about this deal and you > seem to think she got this wrong too. I have no idea, I stopped in > here just to share that I thought she had an awakening. I still think > that, I also think just like some of the others, that she is silly, > crazy, out there, moody, etc. but I like her and think she has some > enlightening viewpoints that can only come from somebody who has seen > into the Self. Learn from her or at least tolerate her, she can be a > good mirror for you, she is a good mirror for me and I have learned a > lot from her posts and presence. Now you two settle your disputes, I > have nothing more to do with this issue. > To me....she shows signs of being identified with the mind..... adios amigo, )))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 > > > shawn: and I though i would untill you brought " back-up! " Sheesh! > > devi: you told me too shawn, > > > shawn:Where did you get this idea? devi: heres where i got the idea shawn--->shawn, " mean and kind are in the mind, you should know this if you're realised. I don't mean to hurt you. I think you are hurting yourself. Does anyone believe you? I will stop egging you on, now. " shawn:I asked if anyone believed you because I > couldn't fathom that as a fact, devi: but you asked so i produced an answer, even to my surprise, because i really didn't expect anyone to come forward.. shawn:but I did not expect or ask you to go get me > a 4 out 5 dentists agree list! devi: thats not funny, that shallow shawn:That is rather pathetic..... who cares? devi: i cared that you stopped being mean to me > > shawn:If you are enlightened, it is self evident devi: it is self-evident, to me..what do you think that statement means,,,that its going to be self-evident to you? shawn:and you don't need to prove it to > anyone... devi: shawn, be original ..but it would seem that you've an agenda to fulfill and it hinges > upon others' recognition of you. devi: you are so busy analysizing me, why is that? i've been realized for over 25 years and never needed anyone to recognize me for anything except being a good mom, watch your own mind shawn, not mine, i know exactly where i am, but you don't know where you are,,find out.and try and do it without having to bully me > > > > shawn: Why should you care? What do you want? What do you need? Who > > am I? > > devi: stop questioning me shawn, i already told you i am realized, > > those questions aren't important to me, and you should be trying to > > figure things out for yourself. > > shawn:What trem said is true, you are...but whether you know it or > > not is unclear > >> to others....so what? > > devi: > >> > > shawn:I am just theater here.. > > devi: what you are to me is a hurtful pain in the ass whose making my > > presence in this club feel unwelcome and threatened...if steve hadn't > > come along i would have left > > > > shawn:I love you regardless.. > > devi: i don't think so shawn, and if you do, you have a strange way > > of showing it > > .shawn:.I *do* think you might tone down your mouth because it looks > > as if you're really getting upset, especially with Karta, and it > > makes Realisers look kinda like shit... > > devi: i agree, it makes realizers look like shit, whats happening is > > very upsettig to me, but i think *unrealizers* can learn from that > > too. > > > > > > shawn:it doesn't help with any of the " taking things personally BS " > > that everyone seems to suffer from when they mistakenly identify with > > the bodymind. > > > > devi: you mistakenly identify with your body/mond complex, don't > > accuse me of that > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 on 4/29/03 4:28 PM, devianandi at devi wrote: > >> >>> shawn: and I though i would untill you brought " back-up! " Sheesh! >>> devi: you told me too shawn, >> >> >> shawn:Where did you get this idea? > devi: heres where i got the idea shawn--->shawn, " mean and kind are in > the mind, you should know this if you're realised. > I don't mean to hurt you. I think you are hurting yourself. Does > anyone > believe you? > I will stop egging you on, now. " yes...so you see there is no " if you this then I will that " anywhere in there... ))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 4/29/03 4:28 PM, devianandi at devi@p... wrote: > > > > >> > >>> shawn: and I though i would untill you brought " back-up! " Sheesh! > >>> devi: you told me too shawn, > >> > >> > >> shawn:Where did you get this idea? > > devi: heres where i got the idea shawn--->shawn, " mean and kind are in > > the mind, you should know this if you're realised. > > I don't mean to hurt you. I think you are hurting yourself. Does > > anyone > > believe you? > > I will stop egging you on, now. " > > > yes...so you see there is no " if you this then I will that " anywhere in > there... > > ))))))Shawn devi: " I will stop egging you on, now. " statement from shawn..ok, worse, your a complete liar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <devi@p...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > > on 4/29/03 4:28 PM, devianandi at devi@p... wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > >>> shawn: and I though i would untill you brought " back-up! " > Sheesh! > > >>> devi: you told me too shawn, > > >> > > >> > > >> shawn:Where did you get this idea? > > > devi: heres where i got the idea shawn--->shawn, " mean and kind > are in > > > the mind, you should know this if you're realised. > > > I don't mean to hurt you. I think you are hurting yourself. Does > > > anyone > > > believe you? > > > I will stop egging you on, now. " > > > > > > yes...so you see there is no " if you this then I will that " > anywhere in > > there... > > > > ))))))Shawn > > devi: " I will stop egging you on, now. " statement from shawn..ok, > worse, your a complete liar > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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