Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Honesty is the knife of reality that cuts through everything that is untrue. " - John de Ruiter. Toby ---------------------- That is exactly what I said at 3 years old, when this guy stuck a knife through my hand and pinned it to the bars of my playpen. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 What happened? > > elwells02003 [sMTP:elizabethwells8] > Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:00 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: Cutting through the illusion. > > Honesty is the knife of reality that cuts through everything that is > untrue. " - John de Ruiter. > > Toby > > > ---------------------- > > That is exactly what I said at 3 years old, > when this guy stuck a knife through my hand > and pinned it to the bars of my playpen. > > > . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 > Honesty is the knife of reality that cuts through everything that is untrue. " - John de Ruiter. Toby ---------------------- That is exactly what I said at 3 years old, when this guy stuck a knife through my hand and pinned it to the bars of my playpen. El ---------------------- What happened? Toby ---------------------- How did I get untrapped? I went back the same way I came. El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 > How did I get untrapped? > > I went back the same way I came. > > El > __________________________ > > 'Tis the only way... > > Toby > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Nothing is untrue. elwells02003 <elizabethwells8 wrote: Honesty is the knife of reality that cuts through everything that is untrue." - John de Ruiter.Toby----------------------That is exactly what I said at 3 years old,when this guy stuck a knife through my handand pinned it to the bars of my playpen..**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Quite the contrary, Sir Noumenon! Quite the contrary. Nothing is True. Utterly, wholly, and completely. -Bill Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:27 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Nothing is untrue. elwells02003 <elizabethwells8 wrote: Honesty is the knife of reality that cuts through everything that is untrue." - John de Ruiter.Toby----------------------That is exactly what I said at 3 years old,when this guy stuck a knife through my handand pinned it to the bars of my playpen..**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 The true is the untrue.This is the unicity.All is one.To manifest the unicity, there is a need of duality.- Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:36 PMRE: Re: Cutting through the illusion.Quite the contrary, Sir Noumenon!Quite the contrary.Nothing is True.Utterly, wholly, and completely. -BillConsciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:27 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion.Nothing is untrue. elwells02003 <elizabethwells8 wrote: Honesty is the knife of reality that cuts through everything that is untrue." - John de Ruiter.Toby----------------------That is exactly what I said at 3 years old,when this guy stuck a knife through my handand pinned it to the bars of my playpen..**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 There is no unicity means that there is the unicity.There is no one means that there is the one. As long as the body-consciousness, there is the knowing.We are living in the duality world(actually illusion), so we can't help saying in the duality.If not, perception and communication is impossible. I am because I am not, I am not because I am.There is noumenon because there is phenomenon.I am the pure subjectivity(this is also crude expression), but It is impossible to express in the duality world. only I can say that I am "I". - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:04 PMRE: Re: Cutting through the illusion.Very interesting, O Unborn One. My response is this: There is no "unicity". There is no "one". Truth is Non-Distinction. Knowledge is absence of knowing. As for need of duality, What duality? -Bill Unborn [kjn]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:36 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. The true is the untrue.This is the unicity.All is one.To manifest the unicity, there is a need of duality.- Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:36 PMRE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Quite the contrary, Sir Noumenon!Quite the contrary.Nothing is True.Utterly, wholly, and completely. -BillConsciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:27 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Nothing is untrue. **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 I know that they both mean the same . Do you? Ask yourself . Grace, THATBill Rishel <plexus wrote: Quite the contrary, Sir Noumenon! Quite the contrary. Nothing is True. Utterly, wholly, and completely. -Bill Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:27 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Nothing is untrue. elwells02003 <elizabethwells8 wrote: Honesty is the knife of reality that cuts through everything that is untrue." - John de Ruiter.Toby----------------------That is exactly what I said at 3 years old,when this guy stuck a knife through my handand pinned it to the bars of my playpen..**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Do you really know what that means ? If you do so inside out , you are me.( What more needs to be said? ) ------ THAT Unborn <kjn wrote: The true is the untrue. This is the unicity. All is one. To manifest the unicity, there is a need of duality. - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:36 PM RE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Quite the contrary, Sir Noumenon! Quite the contrary. Nothing is True. Utterly, wholly, and completely. -Bill Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:27 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Nothing is untrue. elwells02003 <elizabethwells8 wrote: Honesty is the knife of reality that cuts through everything that is untrue." - John de Ruiter.Toby----------------------That is exactly what I said at 3 years old,when this guy stuck a knife through my handand pinned it to the bars of my playpen..**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Do yourself and the world a service.Stop bullshitting. ------- THATBill Rishel <plexus wrote: > I am because I am not, I am not because I am.If you can rephrase this as:A. "I am" implies "I am not" and B. "I am not" implies "I am"does it mean the same to you? From neither A nor B do you get either "I am"or "I am not". If you first posit "I am", then from A you get "I am not", etc.If you don't first posit anything, then you don't getanything. Let's take your noumenon/phenomenon example:Your assertion seems to be based on the implied axiom:Noumenon if and only if phenomenon.The implied axiom seems to be the "co-arising axiom" thatasserts that nothing exists without its opposite. Thisaxiom is about concepts, by the way. If that is your implied axiom, I'm fine with that axiom(as one about *concepts* (not that there is anything else anyhow)). But from "noumenon if and only if phenomenon" you do not get "noumenon is" or "phenomenonis". You say:> As long as the body-consciousness, there is the knowing.If you are defining "body-consciousness" as "knowing" thenby definition you have provided a tautology. And what doyou mean by "body-consciousness"? I suppose you mean somethingthat Everyone certainly acknowledges having. But I don't,and I am sure there are otheres who don't either. Defineyour terms, please. The one statement you appologize for:> I am the pure subjectivity(this is also crude expression), is the one I resonate with most. Which is not to say totally.I prefer to trim the "I am" part, but a stripped downversion of your statement, "Pure subjectivity is," is somewhat tempting. I call it my Private Hallucination. Finally, you didn't answer a key question of mine: As for need of duality, What duality? If Truth is that which is always the case, then Truth isindependent of any particular. If there is any differencebetween noumenon and phenomenon, then Truth is independentof both. So what is always the case? Consider the difference between the present and any momentin the past. When I conduct that investigation I recognizethat in contrast to moments in the so-called past, "this moment" is always vital, alive. There is a subtle luminious radiance that always pervades "this moment".*It seems to me* that this subtle luminous radiance always is(and always must be). I call this radiance the Light. Note: "It seems to me" translates to: per my Private Hallucination. -Bill - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:04 PMRE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Very interesting, O Unborn One. My response is this: There is no "unicity". There is no "one". Truth is Non-Distinction. Knowledge is absence of knowing. As for need of duality, What duality? -Bill -- from kim: There is no unicity means that there is the unicity. There is no one means that there is the one. As long as the body-consciousness, there is the knowing. We are living in the duality world(actually illusion), so we can't help saying in the duality. If not, perception and communication is impossible. I am because I am not, I am not because I am. There is noumenon because there is phenomenon. I am the pure subjectivity(this is also crude expression), but It is impossible to express in the duality world. only I can say that I am "I". Unborn [kjn]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:36 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. The true is the untrue.This is the unicity.All is one.To manifest the unicity, there is a need of duality.- Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:36 PMRE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Quite the contrary, Sir Noumenon!Quite the contrary.Nothing is True.Utterly, wholly, and completely. -BillConsciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:27 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Nothing is untrue. **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Phenomenally you are me and you are not me.Noumenally only the one is.- Consciousness Noumenon Nisargadatta Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:07 PMRe: Re: Cutting through the illusion.Do you really know what that means ? If you do so inside out , you are me.( What more needs to be said? ) ------THAT Unborn <kjn wrote:The true is the untrue.This is the unicity.All is one.To manifest the unicity, there is a need of duality.- Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:36 PMRE: Re: Cutting through the illusion.Quite the contrary, Sir Noumenon!Quite the contrary.Nothing is True.Utterly, wholly, and completely. -BillConsciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:27 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion.Nothing is untrue. elwells02003 <elizabethwells8 wrote: Honesty is the knife of reality that cuts through everything that is untrue." - John de Ruiter.Toby----------------------That is exactly what I said at 3 years old,when this guy stuck a knife through my handand pinned it to the bars of my playpen..**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Pretty lucid Kim. Nice. Most have not considered that the Infinite exists only by virtue of the Finite. But you seem to touch on essentially same when you say, "I know 'Absolute I' is because 'relative I' is". So many talk about 'I' as if it were some fundamental, immediate, and evident reality. But in my Private Hallucination there seems no such 'I'. Everything unneeded eventually fades away. In endless dwelling with silence there is no need for 'I' and so it fades away. The 'I' notion, afterall, is an artifact of our social upbringing. Going into it deeply it appears there is no entity corresponding to 'I'. 'I' is just a pronoun, a linguistic device and nothing more. In My Private Hallucination, that is. And can Absolute and Relative collapse, like matter and anti-matter? -Bill kim ja nyun [kjn]Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:29 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. In 'I am because I am not, I am not because I am' I is not the Absolute but the relative, so your sentence is different meaning. I(the Absolute) am neither presence nor absence. the knower and the known, the experiencer and the experienced, the noumenon and the phenomenon, even the Absolute and the relative are concepts. But I know "Absolute I" is because "relative I" is. I know 'the noumenon is' because 'the phenomenon is'. Only I am 'I' no more words. - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:07 PM RE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. > I am because I am not, I am not because I am.If you can rephrase this as:A. "I am" implies "I am not" and B. "I am not" implies "I am"does it mean the same to you? From neither A nor B do you get either "I am"or "I am not". If you first posit "I am", then from A you get "I am not", etc.If you don't first posit anything, then you don't getanything. Let's take your noumenon/phenomenon example:Your assertion seems to be based on the implied axiom:Noumenon if and only if phenomenon.The implied axiom seems to be the "co-arising axiom" thatasserts that nothing exists without its opposite. Thisaxiom is about concepts, by the way. If that is your implied axiom, I'm fine with that axiom(as one about *concepts* (not that there is anything else anyhow)). But from "noumenon if and only if phenomenon" you do not get "noumenon is" or "phenomenonis". You say:> As long as the body-consciousness, there is the knowing.If you are defining "body-consciousness" as "knowing" thenby definition you have provided a tautology. And what doyou mean by "body-consciousness"? I suppose you mean somethingthat Everyone certainly acknowledges having. But I don't,and I am sure there are otheres who don't either. Defineyour terms, please. The one statement you appologize for:> I am the pure subjectivity(this is also crude expression), is the one I resonate with most. Which is not to say totally.I prefer to trim the "I am" part, but a stripped downversion of your statement, "Pure subjectivity is," is somewhat tempting. I call it my Private Hallucination. Finally, you didn't answer a key question of mine: As for need of duality, What duality? If Truth is that which is always the case, then Truth isindependent of any particular. If there is any differencebetween noumenon and phenomenon, then Truth is independentof both. So what is always the case? Consider the difference between the present and any momentin the past. When I conduct that investigation I recognizethat in contrast to moments in the so-called past, "this moment" is always vital, alive. There is a subtle luminious radiance that always pervades "this moment".*It seems to me* that this subtle luminous radiance always is(and always must be). I call this radiance the Light. Note: "It seems to me" translates to: per my Private Hallucination. -Bill - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:04 PMRE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Very interesting, O Unborn One. My response is this: There is no "unicity". There is no "one". Truth is Non-Distinction. Knowledge is absence of knowing. As for need of duality, What duality? -Bill -- from kim: There is no unicity means that there is the unicity. There is no one means that there is the one. As long as the body-consciousness, there is the knowing. We are living in the duality world(actually illusion), so we can't help saying in the duality. If not, perception and communication is impossible. I am because I am not, I am not because I am. There is noumenon because there is phenomenon. I am the pure subjectivity(this is also crude expression), but It is impossible to express in the duality world. only I can say that I am "I". Unborn [kjn]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:36 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. The true is the untrue.This is the unicity.All is one.To manifest the unicity, there is a need of duality.- Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:36 PMRE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Quite the contrary, Sir Noumenon!Quite the contrary.Nothing is True.Utterly, wholly, and completely. -BillConsciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:27 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Nothing is untrue. **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 > why focus on others? Compassion > you desire Heart, that is good. No. With Grace, ---- THAT. **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 So heart is another word for the real you, what ever that is! Sorry I am not familiar with the word games in the group yet I just found it yesterday. Harry Terry Williams (Harry)Kerr McGee Payroll Dept-Payroll Analyst405-270-2417 email; tlwilliams If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, any use, distribution or copying of the message is prohibited. Please let me know immediately by return e-mail if you have received this message by mistake, then delete the e-mail message. Thank you. Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned] Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:37 PMNisargadatta Subject: RE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. The real you - that is not the body or the mind. ------ THAT "Williams, Terry" <tlwilliams wrote: What is meant by the Heart? the physical organ? Terry Williams (Harry)Kerr McGee Payroll Dept-Payroll Analyst405-270-2417 email; tlwilliams If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, any use, distribution or copying of the message is prohibited. Please let me know immediately by return e-mail if you have received this message by mistake, then delete the e-mail message. Thank you. shawn [shawn] Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:55 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion.on 5/14/03 9:08 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstonedwrote:> When you use your mind so much , you are far from your heart.> --------> THATHow can it be so? The Heart is all. Everything arises in it. Stop playingsmarty-pants games. You are being a fool.)))))))Shawn**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Here one I heard: Vanity; Brays like and ass and thinks he's singing a grand opera. Terry Williams (Harry)Kerr McGee Payroll Dept-Payroll Analyst405-270-2417 email; tlwilliams If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, any use, distribution or copying of the message is prohibited. Please let me know immediately by return e-mail if you have received this message by mistake, then delete the e-mail message. Thank you. Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned] Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:39 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Inability to trust is an indicator of the nature of the mind. ------- THATshawn <shawn wrote: on 5/14/03 9:08 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstonedwrote:> When you use your mind so much , you are far from your heart.> --------> THATHow can it be so? The Heart is all. Everything arises in it. Stop playingsmarty-pants games. You are being a fool.)))))))Shawn**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Are you trying to change people and/or their behavior via remarks such as these? And why focus on others? You had expectations about this group being more " heartful " . What have expectations ever done for you? Heart begins with heart. If I want heart from others I must begin by being heart-full myself. But then I realize I can drop the " wanting heart from others thing " since being heart-full myself is the *whole thing*. Heart begins and ends Here. I had the same disappointments about this group regarding its seeming lack of heart myself once. The only real remedey I found was simply to stay in a place of heart myself. A remedy not because it " changes others " but because it resolves the whole issue for myself. When I am living from heart I am already complete. What others do or say cannot change that. If you desire Heart, that is good. That very desire is your Heart manifesting in your life. Let that desire possess you, take over your life. Let it become an all-consuming Fire that burns away all the " wonderings " about things. -Bill PS: You might like the SufiMystic group. I believe you will find a bit more of a heart-orientation there. Bernie John [berniejsca] Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:50 AM Nisargadatta Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. I had anticipated that this group would " live close to the heart " . Too many words. Too much looking to be smart and cute here. I know very little but it's not about little mind games or lets see if I can appear to be smarter than you! --- Consciousness Noumenon <sloshednstoned wrote: > When you use your mind so much , you are far from your heart. > -------- > THAT > > kim ja nyun <kjn wrote: > There is no unicity means that there is the unicity. > There is no one means that there is the one. > As long as the body-consciousness, there is the knowing. > We are living in the duality world(actually illusion), so we can't > help saying in the duality. > If not, perception and communication is impossible. > > I am because I am not, I am not because I am. > There is noumenon because there is phenomenon. > I am the pure subjectivity(this is also crude expression), > but It is impossible to express in the duality world. > > only I can say that I am " I " . > > - > Bill Rishel > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:04 PM > RE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. > > > Very interesting, O Unborn One. > > My response is this: > > There is no " unicity " . > There is no " one " . > Truth is Non-Distinction. > Knowledge is absence of knowing. > > As for need of duality, > What duality? > > -Bill > > > Unborn [kjn] > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:36 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. > > > The true is the untrue. > This is the unicity. > All is one. > To manifest the unicity, there is a need of duality. > - > Bill Rishel > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:36 PM > RE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. > > > Quite the contrary, Sir Noumenon! > Quite the contrary. > Nothing is True. > Utterly, wholly, and completely. > > -Bill > > Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned] > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:27 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. > > > Nothing is untrue. > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 > The Heart is all. Everything arises in it. I share this Hallucination. Nice to hear from you after so long Shawn! -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 To succeed in this forum with ease - - go back, way back to any random post - - cut and paste that post into any reply to a current thread - - it will fit right in. Then, when you are ready, try putting together nonsense like: " Awareness is primal consciousness circling back onto Self " When that fails, there is always quoting from a book by Niz. Oh Oh, another good one is to stick the word 'not' or 'non' in response to another's post, like: " NonAwareness is primal consciousness circling back onto Self " But once in a while when you least expect it someone will blow your head off someone will strip you naked that someone is you As soon as you know who you are, you'll know who I am. Nisargadatta , " Williams, Terry " <tlwilliams@k...> wrote: > So heart is another word for the real you, what ever that is! Sorry I am not > familiar with the > word games in the group yet I just found it yesterday. > > Harry > > > > > > Terry Williams (Harry) > Kerr McGee Payroll Dept-Payroll Analyst > 405-270-2417 > email; tlwilliams@k... > > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, any use, > distribution or copying of the message is prohibited. Please let me know > immediately by return e-mail if you have received this message by mistake, > then delete the e-mail message. Thank you. > > > Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned] > Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:37 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. > > > The real you - that is not the body or the mind. > ------ > THAT > > > > " Williams, Terry " <tlwilliams@k...> wrote: > > What is meant by the Heart? the physical organ? > > > > > > Terry Williams (Harry) > Kerr McGee Payroll Dept-Payroll Analyst > 405-270-2417 > email; tlwilliams@k... > > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, any use, > distribution or copying of the message is prohibited. Please let me know > immediately by return e-mail if you have received this message by mistake, > then delete the e-mail message. Thank you. > > > shawn [shawn@w...] > Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:55 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. > > > on 5/14/03 9:08 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstoned > wrote: > > > When you use your mind so much , you are far from your heart. > > -------- > > THAT > > How can it be so? The Heart is all. Everything arises in it. Stop playing > smarty-pants games. You are being a fool. > > )))))))Shawn > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > </mygroups?edit=1> > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 I know you are not the separate entity.You have heard you are a fool.But you are not a person.Go on. All events happen to this group are a pastime. - Consciousness Noumenon Nisargadatta Friday, May 16, 2003 4:30 AMRe: Re: Cutting through the illusion.You dont know that the Heart is all. You dont even know what the Heart is and you call me a fool .So be it. ------THATshawn <shawn wrote:on 5/14/03 9:08 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstonedwrote:> When you use your mind so much , you are far from your heart.> --------> THATHow can it be so? The Heart is all. Everything arises in it. Stop playingsmarty-pants games. You are being a fool.)))))))Shawn**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Terry, Are you reading carefully? Shawn said of Heart: The Heart is all. Everything arises in it. How could that be the physical organ? Advaita is a "non-dual" spiritual path. In my view the most significant proponents are Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj. You will find Ramana Maharshi speaking much more about Heart than Nisargadatta, though in my view their essential teaching is the same. In my view, to "abide in the Heart" begins by staying very present in a *soft, gentle* awareness. So many try to quell the mind, but that is useless . By maintaining a soft, gentle presence Heart Awareness opens up. Again, per my Private Hallucination, becoming established in Heart as the core of one's being does not mean the end of mind. Mind continues to function as a tool. But identity of self is no longer associated with it. It arises when needed as a tool, and quietens when not. Much like fire, there is nothing inherently "wrong" with mind, but quite a problem when running out of control. -Bill Williams, Terry [tlwilliams]Thursday, May 15, 2003 12:16 PM'Nisargadatta 'RE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. What is meant by the Heart? the physical organ? on 5/14/03 9:08 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstonedwrote:> When you use your mind so much , you are far from your heart.> --------> THATHow can it be so? The Heart is all. Everything arises in it. Stop playingsmarty-pants games. You are being a fool.)))))))Shawn ... uslnf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 on 5/15/03 4:35 PM, Bill Rishel at plexus wrote: > Again, per my Private Hallucination, becoming established in > Heart as the core of one's being does not mean the end of mind. > Mind continues to function as a tool. But identity of self is no > longer associated with it. It arises when needed as a tool, > and quietens when not. Much like fire, there is nothing > inherently " wrong " with mind, but quite a problem when running > out of control. > > -Bill Yes....I seem to remember Sri Niz or Ramana saying something to the effect that to the beginner, a thought enters the mind and it is like a stone thrown into water, whereas to the one immersed in the Self, it is like a stone thrown into honey. ))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 on 5/15/03 9:30 AM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstoned wrote: > You dont know that the Heart is all. You dont even know what the Heart is and > you call me a fool .So be it. > > ------ > THAT Everyone knows the " Heart. " But no one knows what it *IS*. If the " Heart " were apart from you for a second, you would cease to be. It is simple Being,so....BE it. This THAT and the other, consciousness, noumenon..... such sophmoric games....be happy......stop trying to impress people with this nonsense, as if you could lay some claim or other...When a balloon pops, does it say, now I am free? ))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 I'll make a note Terry Williams (Harry)Kerr McGee Payroll Dept-Payroll Analyst405-270-2417 email; tlwilliams If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, any use, distribution or copying of the message is prohibited. Please let me know immediately by return e-mail if you have received this message by mistake, then delete the e-mail message. Thank you. Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned] Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:52 PMNisargadatta Subject: RE: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Vanity and humility are in your world, not mine. So are jackasses. ------ THAT"Williams, Terry" <tlwilliams wrote: Here one I heard: Vanity; Brays like and ass and thinks he's singing a grand opera. Terry Williams (Harry)Kerr McGee Payroll Dept-Payroll Analyst405-270-2417 email; tlwilliams If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, any use, distribution or copying of the message is prohibited. Please let me know immediately by return e-mail if you have received this message by mistake, then delete the e-mail message. Thank you. Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned] Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:39 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: Cutting through the illusion. Inability to trust is an indicator of the nature of the mind. ------- THATshawn <shawn wrote: on 5/14/03 9:08 PM, Consciousness Noumenon at sloshednstonedwrote:> When you use your mind so much , you are far from your heart.> --------> THATHow can it be so? The Heart is all. Everything arises in it. Stop playingsmarty-pants games. You are being a fool.)))))))Shawn**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2003 Report Share Posted May 17, 2003 You mean NonAdvice... ;-) Nisargadatta , " Williams, Terry " <tlwilliams@k...> wrote: > Thanks for the advice trem23 > > > > > > Terry Williams (Harry) > Kerr McGee Payroll Dept-Payroll Analyst > 405-270-2417 > email; tlwilliams@k... > > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, any use, > distribution or copying of the message is prohibited. Please let me know > immediately by return e-mail if you have received this message by mistake, > then delete the e-mail message. Thank you. > > > trem23 [inmadison@h...] > Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:34 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: Cutting through the illusion. > > > To succeed in this forum with ease - - go back, way back to any > random post - - cut and paste that post into any reply to a current > thread - - it will fit right in. > > Then, when you are ready, try putting together nonsense like: > " Awareness is primal consciousness circling back onto Self " > > When that fails, there is always quoting from a book by Niz. > > Oh Oh, another good one is to stick the word 'not' or 'non' in > response to another's post, like: > " NonAwareness is primal consciousness circling back onto Self " > > But once in a while > when you least expect it > someone will blow your head off > someone will strip you naked > that someone is you > > As soon as you know who you are, you'll know who I am. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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