Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Hi That, might I ask you the obvious question - if you feel that way about being on a list, why are you on this list? > > Consciousness Noumenon [sMTP:sloshednstoned] > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:24 PM > Nisargadatta > All ye are damned to life! > > It is the mind - the cunning deceiver that makes you enjoy the stuff on this list. > > Realize the futility of it all . No-mind is in your mind , theres nothing called enlightenment, self-realization. > > If you can realize that completely and totally, thats all that is needed. > Get off this list! You'll ALL do great! > > With grace and blessings, > ------- > THAT > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 To drive you off . When you are all off the list , I will dissappear. Take it on trust , for trust is in the heart not the mind. With Grace , THAT"Wilson, Toby" <toby.wilson wrote: Hi That, might I ask you the obvious question - if you feel that way about being on a list, why are you on this list? > > Consciousness Noumenon [sMTP:sloshednstoned]> Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:24 PM> Nisargadatta > All ye are damned to life!> > It is the mind - the cunning deceiver that makes you enjoy the stuff on this list. > > Realize the futility of it all . No-mind is in your mind , theres nothing called enlightenment, self-realization.> > If you can realize that completely and totally, thats all that is needed.> Get off this list! You'll ALL do great!> > With grace and blessings,> -------> THAT > > **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 I fear THAT is correct I must leave this list. But if I leave this list wouldn't THAT say I was wrong to think the list and leaving was about me. I think therefore I am on the list. THAT writes in invisible ink: nonthinker was here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Everything in your world is about you. Think about it honestly. ----- THAT trem23 <inmadison wrote: I fear THAT is correctI must leave this list.But if I leave this listwouldn't THAT say I waswrong to think the listand leaving was about me.I think therefore I am on the list.THAT writes in invisible ink:nonthinker was here**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Even more is to *be* with absolute honesty. Being with absolute honesty is the Fire. Thinking with honesty is just fumes. From the Private Hallucination of... -Bill Consciousness Noumenon [sloshednstoned]Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:41 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: All ye are damned to life! Everything in your world is about you. Think about it honestly. ----- THAT trem23 <inmadison wrote: I fear THAT is correctI must leave this list.But if I leave this listwouldn't THAT say I waswrong to think the listand leaving was about me.I think therefore I am on the list.THAT writes in invisible ink:nonthinker was here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Nothing needs to chance, everything is just fine the way it is. > > Consciousness Noumenon [sMTP:sloshednstoned] > Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:02 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: All ye are damned to life! > > To drive you off . When you are all off the list , I will dissappear. > Take it on trust , for trust is in the heart not the mind. > > With Grace , > THAT > > " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson wrote: > > Hi That, might I ask you the obvious question - if you feel that way about being on a list, why are you on this list? > > > > > > Consciousness Noumenon [sMTP:sloshednstoned] > > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:24 PM > > Nisargadatta > > All ye are damned to life! > > > > It is the mind - the cunning deceiver that makes you enjoy the stuff on this list. > > > > Realize the futility of it all . No-mind is in your mind , theres nothing called enlightenment, self-realization. > > > > If you can realize that completely and totally, thats all that is needed. > > Get off this list! You'll ALL do & ! ! ! nbsp; great! > > > > With grace and blessings, > > ------- > > THAT > > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > </mygroups?edit=1> > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 " Nothing is untrue " - THAT How then can honesty exist? > > Consciousness Noumenon [sMTP:sloshednstoned] > Friday, May 16, 2003 4:41 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Re: All ye are damned to life! > > Everything in your world is about you. Think about it honestly. > ----- > THAT > > > trem23 <inmadison wrote: > > I fear THAT is correct > I must leave this list. > But if I leave this list > wouldn't THAT say I was > wrong to think the list > and leaving was about me. > I think therefore I am on the list. > > THAT writes in invisible ink: > nonthinker was here > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > </mygroups?edit=1> > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Language always limits . Dont look at the finger- look at the moon. You will always find only what you look for. With Grace. THAT --- " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson wrote: " Nothing is untrue " - THAT How then can honesty exist? > > Consciousness Noumenon [sMTP:sloshednstoned] > Friday, May 16, 2003 4:41 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Re: All ye are damned to life! > > Everything in your world is about you. Think about it honestly. > ----- > THAT > > > trem23 <inmadison wrote: > > I fear THAT is correct > I must leave this list. > But if I leave this list > wouldn't THAT say I was > wrong to think the list > and leaving was about me. > I think therefore I am on the list. > > THAT writes in invisible ink: > nonthinker was here > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > </mygroups?edit=1> > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Your finger is not pointing at the moon... > > Consciousness Noumenon [sMTP:sloshednstoned] > Friday, May 16, 2003 12:58 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: Re: All ye are damned to life! > > Language always limits . Dont look at the finger- look > at the moon. > > You will always find only what you look for. > > With Grace. > THAT > > > --- " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson > wrote: > > " Nothing is untrue " - THAT > > How then can honesty exist? > > > > > > Consciousness Noumenon > [sMTP:sloshednstoned] > > Friday, May 16, 2003 4:41 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: Re: All ye are > damned to life! > > > > Everything in your world is about you. Think about > it honestly. > > ----- > > THAT > > > > > > trem23 <inmadison wrote: > > > > I fear THAT is correct > > I must leave this list. > > But if I leave this list > > wouldn't THAT say I was > > wrong to think the list > > and leaving was about me. > > I think therefore I am on the list. > > > > THAT writes in invisible ink: > > nonthinker was here > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > <</mygroups?edit=1>> > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Toby, I am struck by the lucidity and resounding solidity of what you say here. And it seems to me you have put your finger on a very significant distinction: There is a certain fragility in 'trust'. 'Trust' is " because of " or " based on " something else. In contrast, 'knowing', as you say, stands on its own. Knowing goes to the core. It simply Is. -Bill Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson] Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:39 PM Nisargadatta RE: All ye are damned to life! Trust is similar to faith, it assumes there is something to have trust or faith in. When one is operating out of a belief system, as you seem to be, trust is necessary, yes, trust in your belief, as your belief cannot stand up on its own. When one is residing in a knowing, however small that knowing may be, trust is in no way necessary. > > Consciousness Noumenon [sMTP:sloshednstoned] > Friday, May 16, 2003 12:57 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: All ye are damned to life! > > Then you already trust! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Toby, Am astonished by these words by JDR. They say so much with such elegant luminousness. And, who is JDR? -Bill Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson] Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:36 PM Nisargadatta RE: All ye are damned to life! Bill, Interesting you should comment. You pick up on things because of first hand experience, not because it " sounds " like a good argument. JDR was once asked of the seemingly close relationship gratitude has with Truth. To roughly paraphrase, his response was something along the lines of: " Where there is a love of what is true, a separation, drawn toward oneness, there is gratitude. And devotion is the in between flow. When one is truly being what they know, there is only oneness, there is no separation, and no gratitude. " Similar subtle distinction... Toby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2003 Report Share Posted May 17, 2003 John de Ruiter. He's an incredible, enlightened being whose presence will melt you to the core. I find his deeper teachings to be more profound and more direct than Nisargadatta's. However, opinions do vary. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Toby, > > Am astonished by these words by JDR. They say so much > with such elegant luminousness. > > And, who is JDR? > > -Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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