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Nisargadatta , " subhuti_gaya "

<subhuti_gaya> wrote:

> 1.Can we get enlightnment with meditation(breath exercise) or

> contemplative thingking.

 

One day a man had a bagel for breakfast, tuna salad for lunch.

During the afternoon while on a stroll, he spotted a candy store and

bought but did not eat a snickers, plaaning on eating it later.

Just before he returned to his office he bought a lottery ticket.

The lottery ticket turned out to be a big winner.

 

He told his friends about the snickers bar that was in his pocket

when he bought the ticket. Now all his friends have a snickers bar

in their pocket when they purchase lottery tickets.

 

> What is enlightnment ? Only after emotional break or only

detachment

> for anything.

 

Knowing there are no pockets, only snickers.

 

> 2. What the world is? who is the other people? Nisargadatta

> says " Only Iam " why we see differentiation. Is it the world or

the

> other people is " I am " too.

 

Differentiation is only painted on.

 

Larry

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Nisargadatta , " subhuti_gaya "

<subhuti_gaya> wrote:

> 1.Can we get enlightnment with meditation(breath exercise) or

> contemplative thingking.

> What is enlightnment ? Only after emotional break or only

detachment

> for anything.

 

Enlightenment is not something one can " get " . It is not an aquiring

of something, but rather, a relinquishing of something false, to let

what is true reveal itself. It's loosing all need for any personal

input into one's own internal environment.

 

Rather than mastering oneself, it is letting oneself be mastered or

be fully taken over by what is true. It is handing over the reigns.

It is being in reality without preference, with just a love of being

in what is, for the sake of being in it, regardless of what presents

itself. It is vacating one's own internal environment, regardless of

any perceived personal cost. Enlightenment is the absolute

unconditional love of what is, as is. Yet " you " are not there

to " do " any loving.

 

 

> 2. What the world is? who is the other people? Nisargadatta

> says " Only Iam " why we see differentiation. Is it the world or the

> other people is " I am " too.

 

 

To quote the ever expanding authoritative text, " The Private

Haulucination of Bill. " Not sure of the ISBN or publisher.

 

Taken from the latter part of chapter two, regarding Nisargadatta, he

states:

 

" I was reading something he said about the 'I Am'.

I had nodded my way past those comments a million

times before, but this time I stopped and realized

that I didn't really have a visceral sense of what

he meant, so I really went into it. I really dove

into the moment.

 

My mind was verbally silent. [Nothing unusual about

that for me. I've long known that the quieting of

inner dialog is no magical rite of passage to Nirvana.]

It was beholding silently within, and on the left

I sensed a subtly festering agitation. It was just

energy, and it was kinda of pulsing, as subtle successive

waves. I knew that if I were to take one of those

waves I would ride out on some emotional crest full

of content, but I remained in a " fasting state " ,

simply witnessing the succession of pulses. Then

attention shifted to the right and I beheld a similar

succession of pulses, but of a different quality.

They seemed " cooler " and gave the impression of a

bluish cast. I understood that each of these pulses

was a potential thought, and should I pick one it

would gladly elaborate itself, perhaps endlessly,

fractal-like. Attention shifted to the left again

and again beheld the stream of pulses there. Attention

shifted to the right and beheld the stream of

thought-seeds again. As attention shifted to the

left again, something asked, " Hey, what is it that

is looking here? What is beholding this movement

from left to right? " Not in so many words of course,

but BAM!, when that question hit me I suddenly

came to sense the pure clarity that beholds it all

with indifference. I realized in a flash (and not

in words such as these) that that pure simple clear

awareness could not care less about whether it was

looking at the left side or the right side, whether

I stayed in " fasting mode " or one of those pulses

inflamed into a torrid scenario or thought or emotion.

I realized that what I was was not the feelings or

the thoughts or any of the seeds for such or even

any source of the streams of seeds for such. And my

identification with all that content dropped away

that instant.

 

Feelings and thoughts still come up, and perhaps

they always will. And no problem there. No right,

no wrong, no good, no bad. The key for me was to

realize that it is all just elevator music. Different

things are going on, but none of it is the " main

thing " . Nothing is. "