Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Deep sleep seems to be a state where consciousness is not, where the *I am feeling* is not. Nisargadatta said that deep sleep is a state very similar to the Absolute, but that the Absolute is not a state. Deep sleep is a state which depends on the body, just as dreaming, and being awake. Consciousness, and ‘I am' comes and goes in the Absolute. This is not hard to understand, but unconsciousness comes and goes also in the absolute , although this is harder to see. We can't be conscious of being unconscious while it is happening, or can we? We sure are aware of having been unconscious after the fact. So we remember, and can we remember something we never were aware of? Can we remember the Absolute then? No. We can only remember what isn't present and the Absolute is always there. This is also why it can't be perceived, it can't be perceived because it's an unbroken monotone of being. There is nothing else. And yet, there comes a point in which this imperceptible omnipresence becomes obvious. It becomes obvious in an undescribable intimate way, that whether conscious of it or not: *we* as it, always are. Best wishes, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , " trem23 " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > This is a tough one - tough only because of the shortcomings of > language. > > In deep sleep, the intellect and emotive functioning is in deep > inertia. There is no awareness of internal or external objects. > This extreme sluggishness feature of deep sleep does not change from > the state of 'ignorance' or, and I hesitate to use the term, 'self- > realization'. What 'self-realization' adds is Pure Awareness, > or 'self-awareness'. > > My use of the word 'add' above is purely illustrative - it may be > more accurate to say our identity is drop-kicked from the intellect > or ego to the pure awareness of self. But we have to be careful > here, what happens is that we hear many different and apparent > contradictions about Pure Awareness - yet we latch on to the one (s) > that we like the best - then ironically that preconceived idea about > what we think pure awareness is or should be, and that becomes our > last great hurdle to pure awareness - but I digress. > > Obviously if we have the thought " I am sleeping but awake inside " - - > that is not deep sleep - because deep sleep is non-thinking > inertia, and pure awareness is awareness that is not thought-based. > > So to 'conquer sleep' can not mean thinking " I Am " or continuously > confirming that " I am sleeping but awake inside " - this is not sleep > and is not pure awareness. > > So what is pure awareness 'like'? > > unboundedness > stillness > capturing the fort > being at home for the first time > and a whole bunch of other words. > > Larry > > > > Nisargadatta , " Josh Miers " <joshmiers> > wrote: > > Hello, I just joined the list and am in the process of > reading " I Am > > That " and " Pointers from Nisargadatta Maharaj. " I first heard > about these > > books from an email list associated with Douglas Harding (in case > anybody is > > familiar with him and his work). > > My question has to do with the Pure Awareness state being > similar to > > deep sleep. When I am in deep sleep I am not aware of my physical > self or of > > the outside world. I am also not aware of being aware or anything > like that. > > If this is what the Pure Awareness or " I Am " state is like, then > it seems > > like this is more a state of extinction of existence than anything > else. If > > I am not even aware of being aware, isn't this the same thing as > > annihilation? > > > > Josh Hi there! Well I know that it is not that easy to understand. But the thing is that you actually are Pure Awareness or the I Am state. The problem is that you the Awarness itself Identify to the body, the world and everything. The Hindu's call it Maya the illusion of the Self. To be more clear; when you see trough a window what do you see, the window or what's on the other side of that window. The other side of the window is the infinit manifetations of the pure being. In this exemple the glass that makes the window is the pure being. If there is a little dust on the glass it is easyer to see, if I can use the expression to see. Thanks Oscar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , " kim ja nyun " <kjn@h...> wrote: > Please see 'The nature of Deep sleep(48)' > in 'Pointers from Nisargadatta Maharaj'. > > - > Josh Miers > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:53 AM > Deep Sleep > > > Hello, I just joined the list and am in the process of reading " I Am That " and " Pointers from Nisargadatta Maharaj. " I first heard about these books from an email list associated with Douglas Harding (in case anybody is familiar with him and his work). > My question has to do with the Pure Awareness state being similar to deep sleep. When I am in deep sleep I am not aware of my physical self or of the outside world. I am also not aware of being aware or anything like that. If this is what the Pure Awareness or " I Am " state is like, then it seems like this is more a state of extinction of existence than anything else. If I am not even aware of being aware, isn't this the same thing as annihilation? > > Josh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Good explanation! from consciousness.- sinadabrahman Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:46 PM Re: Deep Sleepthis reply is to Adan Williams.What you wrote is so true. But you said pure Awareness or I am State cannot be known? Who told you that? of course you can know `` ``. If you couldn't then there are no true spriritual masters on this planet! You can know yourself. This is called Self-Realisation. The step further is called God-Realisation the 7th stage of life taught by several Grand Master of the great tradition. To know something, we usely give words to it. Lets says a tree. You think you know what a tree is? You don't know what a tree is? Truly. Just because you see it and you gave a name to it you call that to know something? What we do actually is we give names to things we do not understand. Lets says electricity or computers or a tv, phone? how does a computer work? If you take a course. The teacher will explain to you how it work, NOT WHAT IT IS??? The truth is that there is only God. Nothing else exists. What you see is what you are. You are the spirit. The pure bliss. The I am. In the bible God Identifies him self to Moses as I AM that I Am.!!! I am ?!?! You are looking for the pure being, Well just take a look around you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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