To Oscar/The verbal prison

[Guest guest]

Words have meaning. They stand for something, but it’s more than that because a word, conjure feelings, emotions, memories, and ideas associated with an object.  We could, reading about the sexual act kindle sexual desires; reading a religious text kindle a religious feeling. Religious people considered the former bad, they don’t see the similarity, they don’t call reading a religious text to stimulate a pious experience, spiritual pornography. Words have value and we seldom question these values handed down to us.

 

We don’t see the terrible power behind certain words: Country, God, Religion, Honor. People have been killing each other for centuries over this words. People ready to kill and die to defend the honor of their country believe they are fighting for something real, tangible. This power, words have of creating a mirror world, a mental universe, is the virtual prison, the verbal soup in which we stew.

 

 

 

Although, we aren’t aware of it we no longer see things in themselves, we see only worthings. A worthing is a mental atom, which has as its nucleus the object (a tree) encircled by all the layers of associations that the word tree evokes.  To see a pre-verbal world, a world as we saw it before we learned the meaning of words, is a liberating experience.

 

 

 

Liberation is a process of regression to not mediated, direct awareness (awareness here simple means cognition of information) and for that to happen the verbal virtual world must loose its hallucinatory power. This doesn’t mean we must renounce words, it simply means we must see through their power of distortion, their empty promise to disclose the essence of things.

 

 

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/9/2003 10:36:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, sinadabrahman writes:

 

Then to be the pur-self without the Self powers of

understanding of its reality.

 

Again, you are not understanding what is meant by understanding. We can only

understand objects in their relation with one another. That's all understanding can do.Can you taste your own tongue?

 

Chase your own tail all you want, if you are having fun doing it, why not? )

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Also right but It makes me think about artificial intelligeance.

Think about it and it will soon happens. Robots, computers, will

start thinking what they are programmed for until in few decades or

more will will find a way to make them learn by them selves. then

the first spark of consciousness of how the machine works, the first

spark of body-mind consciousness. Then the robot will simply be

without questionning him self at this point it just can't but after

mastering the process it will start to ask him self Who AM I? AM I

just a metallic robot, am iI'm just thoughts, AM I just

consciousness. When you the robot will be turned off. Will that mean

that he is going to join the absolute reality in Nirvana or some

stuff like that? If you destroy the robot. Will he reincarnate? Who

is the robot anyway?!? No-thing or nothing. The robot cannot die

because he never been born?!? You know what I mean? It comes from

nowhere, go back to nowhere! and is no-thing but at the same time at

a certain level is a semi-conscious robot lets say! I reminds me of

someone trying too hard to understand the pur-being! ha ha ha!, me!

 

Don't worry it will happen! They have already started. electricity

have always existed. But we just recently we understood how it works

and we master it now. We fly in planes. cellular phones etc. The

ressources were there but not the knowledge. People tought before

that the earth was plane, not round. I'm not saying that this is the

ultimate truth. All you said is the truth. but I simply think that

there is more! Then to be the pur-self without the Self powers of

understanding of its reality. Can I walk on water? NO so I'M not the

Self that is all ? NO? or the Self is ignorant of what he is. You

cannot master something that you don't have created. If the Self has

created the universe then the Self must when awaken, be able to

master the universe. I'm talking of the possibility to do it not

that if it is the case that the Self would change anything! If I

have legs I should be able to walk if I want to. If I have legs and

I can't walk with them maybe it is because I'm not the Self finally

or because I'm a new born child!

 

I don't know! Maybe after all I don't wanna go home yet, and I still

want to continue the life game?!?

 

thanks!

Oscar,

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote:

> Words have meaning. They stand for something, but it’s more than

that because

> a word, conjure feelings, emotions, memories, and ideas associated

with an

> object.  We could, reading about the sexual act kindle sexual

desires; reading a

> religious text kindle a religious feeling. Religious people

considered the

> former bad, they don’t see the similarity, they don’t call

reading a religious

> text to stimulate a pious experience, spiritual pornography. Words

have value

> and we seldom question these values handed down to us.

>

> We don’t see the terrible power behind certain words: Country,

God, Religion,

> Honor. People have been killing each other for centuries over this

words.

> People ready to kill and die to defend the honor of their country

believe they

> are fighting for something real, tangible. This power, words have

of creating a

> mirror world, a mental universe, is the virtual prison, the verbal

soup in

> which we stew.

>

>  

>

> Although, we aren’t aware of it we no longer see things in

themselves, we see

> only worthings. A worthing is a mental atom, which has as its

nucleus the

> object (a tree) encircled by all the layers of associations that

the word tree

> evokes.  To see a pre-verbal world, a world as we saw it before

we learned the

> meaning of words, is a liberating experience.

>

>  

>

> Liberation is a process of regression to not mediated, direct

awareness

> (awareness here simple means cognition of information) and for

that to happen the

> verbal virtual world must loose its hallucinatory power. This

doesn’t mean we

> must renounce words, it simply means we must see through their

power of

> distortion, their empty promise to disclose the essence of things.

>

>  

>

> Best wishes,

>

>  

>

> Pete